Evidence of meeting #145 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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Jen O'Donoughue  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Jeffery Hutchinson  Commissioner of the Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Timothy Sargent  Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Mario Pelletier  Deputy Commissioner, Operations, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Andy Smith  Deputy Commissioner, Strategy and Shipbuilding, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Adam Burns  Director General, Fisheries Resource Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Mark Waddell  Director General, Fisheries and Licence Policy, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Philippe Morel  Assistant Deputy Minister, Aquatic Ecosystems Sector, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

4:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

We're always looking for opportunities for improvement. Our regional directors general and the area directors work very closely with the local communities to understand what their needs are. The needs can change from year to year. Of course, we have growth in industries like aquaculture, for instance, that are also putting strain on capacity in the small craft harbours.

It has to be very much a conversation with the local community to find out where the pressure points are, where the deterioration is happening, what the areas of high priority are. It's just an ongoing conversation.

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Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Now we go to the Conservative side. Mr. Doherty, you have seven minutes or less, please.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Sargent, will you table with the clerk by the end of the day Wednesday any and all briefing notes you reviewed since becoming the deputy related to the renewal of the Canadian Coast Guard fleet, including but not limited to light icebreakers, medium icebreakers and heavy icebreakers?

4:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

You're asking about information on the Canadian Coast Guard—

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

I'm asking if you'll table any documents that you reviewed since becoming deputy.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

The government releases a lot of information about the national shipbuilding strategy. Of course, this is something that we do with Public Services and Procurement Canada as well as the navy.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Is that a yes or no?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

Not all of those documents can be released to the public, but the government does release quite a lot of information. I think in some of the early conversations, as well, there's additional information.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thanks, Mr. Sargent.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

We'll provide—

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Sargent, can you table with the clerk of the committee by the end of the day Wednesday any and all reports or briefing notes prepared by your department in the last five years relating to the Canadian Coast Guard using or integrating Arctic and offshore patrol ships?

4:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

I think I'll give the same version of the answer that I just gave, which is that the government provides a lot of information about the national shipbuilding strategy. If there are specific areas where more information is required, I'm certainly interested to know what those would be.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

I'll go on, then. Mr. Sargent, my time is short. Media reports indicate that the department is about to be given two AOPS.

Can you please provide by the end of the day Wednesday any and all published Canadian Coast Guard reports, department plans or departmental budgets indicating that the AOPS are part of the Canadian Coast Guard fleet renewal plan, as no one on this committee has seen such a plan.

4:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

Again, information on the national shipbuilding strategy is put out by Public Services and Procurement Canada. They are the department ultimately responsible for that.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thanks.

Mr. Sargent, can you table with the clerk by the end of the day Wednesday any briefing note or memo you have reviewed related to the total funds the department has set aside for the acquisition of the light icebreaker? When will this vessel be acquired by the Canadian Coast Guard?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

For questions on that specific vessel, I'll turn to the deputy commissioner.

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Andy Smith Deputy Commissioner, Strategy and Shipbuilding, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

The light icebreaker is subject to a request for information that recently closed. With respect to when that vessel will be delivered, we're envisioning that this will occur in the 2022 time frame.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Great. What I was asking for was if Mr. Sargent could table with the clerk by the end of the day any briefing note or memo that he has related to the total funds the department has set aside for the acquisition of the light icebreaker. We've answered part of it, when the vessel will be acquired by the Canadian Coast Guard. We want to know about the funds that have been allocated for this light icebreaker.

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Deputy Commissioner, Strategy and Shipbuilding, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andy Smith

I'd be happy to work with the committee clerk to provide that.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you, Mr. Smith.

Mr. Sargent, let's see if you can answer this one. Can you explain to the committee why there has been such a significant delay in the Canadian Coast Guard acquiring the offshore fisheries science vessels?

4:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

Building a ship, especially a new ship, is a very complex undertaking. It's to be expected that schedules and budgets would have to be adjusted for the first class of ships built in a generation. Both shipbuilders in Canada renew their skills in estimating and costing.

The national shipbuilding strategy is a long-term commitment to the shipbuilding industry. It certainly is looking to continue assessing our progress.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you, Mr. Sargent. We've heard the talking points.

Mr. Sargent, can you or will you be able to table with the clerk by the end of Wednesday the total allocated budget broken down by each vessel the department has set aside for these acquisitions?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Timothy Sargent

I'll turn to the commissioner for that information.

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Commissioner of the Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Jeffery Hutchinson

We'd be happy to provide the budgets that have been published previously.