Evidence of meeting #81 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was may.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Darren Goetze  Director General, Conservation and Protection, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Jeff MacDonald  Director General, Oceans Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Could you clarify? You mentioned that CPC-2 and CPC-3 would be conflicting.

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Correct. If we adopt CPC-2, then CPC-3 is dropped.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Can you explain why, Mr. Chair?

9:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Go ahead.

9:55 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

CPC-2 would essentially delete the definition of “ongoing”, from lines 24 on page 2 to line 3 on page 3, but CPC-3 would amend lines that are in that definition. If we delete the definition of “ongoing”, and insert a new definition, then CPC-3 doesn't have anything it would amend anymore because those lines would be gone. There's a line conflict.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Okay. We're ready to roll.

Do you still need to suspend?

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Yes.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Folks, we have a two-minute suspension. Let's hope this two minutes is quicker than the last one.

Okay, let's pick up where we left off on CPC-2. I explained the consequences, which everybody understands.

Mr. Doherty.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

We were going to explain CPC-2 and CPC-3. Is that correct?

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

It's CPC-2 and CPC-5.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

CPC-2 and CPC-5, sorry.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Do you want to add further comment to CPC-5?

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

To CPC-3.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Because they're consequential.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Right, CPC-2 and CPC-3, because they're both the same, correct? That's what we were saying.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

No, CPC-3 will be dropped as a consequence of accepting CPC-2.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Right. We will withdraw CPC-5.

Actually, let's talk about CPC-2 first.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

On CPC-2, go ahead.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Chair, again we'll go back to the comments we made earlier. Time and again we had testimony from witnesses, that perhaps there were seasonal activities that may not fall within one year but could fall within three or five years in fisheries, for quotas and what have you. Witnesses said that if it's a year prior, what if they weren't fishing the year prior but had been fishing two years previously?

We would like to ensure that by amending lines 29 and 34, or putting in the word “eligible” instead of “ongoing”, that would help us with some of the testimony we heard from witnesses.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

You're talking about CPC-2, right?

10 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

That's correct, inserting—

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

You just explained that you're not asking for a subamendment, obviously.

Let's vote on CPC-2. Shall amendment CPC-2 carry?

All those in favour, please raise your hand. All those opposed.

The amendment is negatived, so CPC-5 is negatived as well.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Chair.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

One moment, Mr. Arnold, until I get this straight. Now we're on CPC-3. Take amendments CPC-2 and CPC-5 from your package. They're dispensed with.

Mr. Arnold.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

I believe you said that if CPC-2 passed, it would negate CPC-5. CPC-2 did not pass, so CPC-5 should still be eligible.