Evidence of meeting #75 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Pagan  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management, Treasury Board Secretariat
Yaprak Baltacioglu  Secretary of the Treasury Board Secretariat, Treasury Board Secretariat
Marcia Santiago  Executive Director, Expenditure Management, Treasury Board Secretariat
Marie Lemay  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Lisa Campbell  Assistant Deputy Minister, Marine and Defence Procurement, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Kevin Radford  Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Marty Muldoon  Chief Financial Officer, Finance and Administration Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

First of all, when the request was made.... It is under consideration now by the Treasury Board in consultation with the Minister of Public Safety, Minister Goodale, but this is something that—

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

How many conversations have you had with Minister Goodale about the raise?

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

We speak regularly about public safety and RCMP issues.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Are you speaking regularly about whether or not to grant a raise to RCMP members?

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

In terms of specifics around the RCMP, I'm going to ask Yaprak because of some of the discussions that are ongoing on this.

I do want to say, though, that we've gone from no public servants with collective bargaining agreements to over 80% in about a year, and I think we have restored a very—

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Well, RCMP members have yet to get a collective agreement, even though the Supreme Court said they have a right to a collective agreement if they want one.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

But Mr. Blaikie, we're moving forward with C-7 in terms of—

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

When are you moving forward with C-7? Do you have a date when that's coming back to the House?

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

There's a legislative process under way now. In the Senate—

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

There are multiple bargaining agents trying to certify right now in the context of pretty serious legislative uncertainty.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Regardless of your opinion of the Senate, it's a body that is—

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

I haven't mentioned the other place, and—to their credit in this case—they did their work. They did it in June, and one of the reasons we were told that we couldn't consider important amendments to C-7 at the House level was because the sky was going to fall if we didn't get C-7 passed. We got it passed last spring in the House. It went to the Senate, the Senate completed its work before last summer, and then the bill disappeared.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

We're looking forward to their ongoing discussions.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Well, RCMP members have been looking forward to it for some time.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

We take it very seriously. Now, Yaprak may want to add in terms of specific grants or—

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

I'm wondering first if you could illuminate us as to the delay on C-7 and why it's taken so long for it to come back to the House.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

There are discussions with legislators in the other place now, and we're moving forward with C-7.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

You anticipate that when it comes back to the House it will come back in what form? Is the government considering adopting the amendments of the Senate?

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Of course, that's a discussion with legislators in the other place. When those deliberations are concluded, we will be bringing this back to the House, and we look forward to moving forward with members of Parliament in good faith.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

All right. Well, I'll—

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Yaprak, would you like to add, just in terms of the discussions around...?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

You have about thirty seconds.

9:15 a.m.

Yaprak Baltacioglu Secretary of the Treasury Board Secretariat, Treasury Board Secretariat

Okay. In terms of basic comparators, we look at comparators with other police forces, basically. It's just which police forces do you take and what averages do you look at? That's what is considered.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

A lot of that work was done by the pay council and I think it's pretty clear.

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Secretary of the Treasury Board Secretariat, Treasury Board Secretariat

Yaprak Baltacioglu

I appreciate that.