Evidence of meeting #79 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was wrongdoing.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Anne Marie Smart  Chief Human Resources Officer, Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Carl Trottier  Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
David Yazbeck  Partner, Raven, Cameron, Ballantyne & Yazbeck LLP
Sylvie Therrien  As an Individual

6:35 p.m.

As an Individual

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Were you given that explanation?

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As an Individual

Sylvie Therrien

Yes, I was.

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Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

You were not referred to your employer, your supervisor or their supervisor, so that they would explain the dynamics, the procedure, the reasoning behind it?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Was there a probation period for your job?

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As an Individual

Sylvie Therrien

The probation period was over.

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Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

That happened when you had been on the job for only a few months?

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As an Individual

Sylvie Therrien

Are you talking about the new job? I was actually a permanent employee of the government, but I was in a new position.

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Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

So you had permanent employee status.

We are currently looking into the feasibility of a mechanism to protect not only whistleblowers, but everyone—employees, employers and Canadians. That way, we would ensure that whistleblowers could really do their job without fear.

I am not a judge and I do not have in-depth knowledge of your case, but you appear to be completely isolated. You are in no-man's land. No party is protecting you.

What kind of help did you get from the union?

6:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Sylvie Therrien

Mr. Yazbeck actually helped me.

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Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Very well, that answers my question. Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much.

Madam Therrien, Mr. Yazbeck, thank you very much. Your testimonies have been extremely helpful and illuminating.

We've had some difficulties, frankly, as a committee, getting in touch, or at least getting confirmation from whistle-blowers to come and testify before a committee. We've heard from many bureaucrats. We've heard from many officials who are in charge of whistle-blower protection in other jurisdictions, but very few whistle-blowers. There's a reason for that. In many cases, they're quite frankly fearful of reprisal, even by coming to our committee and testifying in camera.

I applaud your courage for appearing. I thank you for your testimony, your candour, and all of the suggestions both of you have made. It's going to be extremely helpful for our committee as we move forward.

We are adjourned.