Evidence of meeting #20 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was spending.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Paul Cardegna
Glenn Purves  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Roger Ermuth  Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Office of the Comptroller General, Treasury Board Secretariat
Karen Cahill  Assistant Secretary and Chief Financial Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Sonya Read  Acting Assistant Secretary, Digital and Services Policy, Treasury Board Secretariat
Rod Greenough  Executive Director, Expenditure Strategies and Estimates, Treasury Board Secretariat
Raphaëlle Deraspe  Committee Researcher
Tolga Yalkin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Workplace Policies and Services, Treasury Board Secretariat

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Virtue signal—holy Christ.

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Chair...?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. Green, please.

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I trust that will not be taken from my time. That was extremely rude of Mr. Green.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

No, it will not be taken from your time.

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

Ms. Harder, typically when departments come in through supplementary estimates, in the case of ACOA or CEDQ, it's for the incremental funding they need up and beyond what they've received. There has been an announcement of $93.1 million over 2021 and to 2023-24, with up to $221 million in partnership with Canadian financial institutions to support this initiative. This includes an ecosystem fund of $53 million and a knowledge hub of $6.5 million. There's surveying, and analysis of surveys, of $2 million—

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

What is the additional $395,000 needed for?

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

This is to support the ecosystem fund component that these organizations are involved with. Of course, that fund supports Black-led businesses.

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

What does that mean? “Ecosystem” is a nice word, but what does that mean? Ultimately, what difference is this making in the lives of Canadians?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you, Ms. Harder.

If you could answer that quickly, Mr. Purves, it would be greatly appreciated.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

It's to support Black-led business organizations across Canada by funding their business development services. If you like, we can come back with a more detailed response on that to the committee. I'd be happy to do that.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you, Mr. Purves. I appreciate that.

Thank you, Ms. Harder.

We'll now go to Mr. Jowhari for five minutes.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Purves, it's good to have you and your team back. Please extend our regards to the minister. We're looking forward to having him in full health and back at the committee again.

You started talking about horizontal items. I understand that in the supplementary estimates (C) we have about eight horizontal items. I'm interested in about two or three of them. Can you give us an idea of what's included there? Specifically, I'd very much like to get some feedback around the $55 million, I believe, in funding for the integrity of the Canada border and asylum system. That's broken into two pieces.

If you could start by commenting on that one, I'd really appreciate it.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

To give people a sense of what horizontal initiatives are, whenever we table supplementary estimates, if there's funding for an initiative that covers multiple areas and multiple departments, we always list it as a horizontal initiative. We try to flag that as part of our transparency.

In terms of that specific initiative, it's used to provide emergency housing and support services to improve the interoperability of various information technology systems related to asylum systems in order to increase administrative efficiency and the speed of processing claims.

Of that $55.6 million that you're referring to, Mr. Jowhari, $6 million is going to the Canada Border Services Agency, about $22.3 million to the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, and about $1.9 million to the Immigration and Refugee Board. Then, of course, under the Department of Citizenship and Immigration and Shared Services Canada, there are additional amounts of about $3 million in particular pertaining to some of these.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Can you comment on the $6 million that's going to the Canada Border Services Agency? What is this for?

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

I'm wondering if my colleague Rod Greenough has that open—he might be a little quicker than me—to be able to explain it.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Yes, perhaps it could be quick, because I want to go to the regional air transport initiative of about $44 million. I'm trying to get some feedback around what that money is for. Perhaps you could quickly talk about the $6 million.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

Of that amount, it's effectively part of a broad range of initiatives to increase the capacity and efficiency of the system. Specifically, that amount is going to project definition in the early implementation of the new automated IT security screening system. In terms of milestones, they expect project definition completion by March. Then they're expecting effectively the broader project implementation to be completed in June of 2022.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you.

We also have another $44 million of funding for regional air transportation initiatives. About $10 million of it is for Atlantic Canada. What specifically are these funds earmarked for?

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

This funding is intended to promote reliable and affordable access to critical regional and local airport and air carrier operations and services. Each organization provides grants and contributions to municipalities, provinces and territories, not-for-profit organizations, businesses and indigenous organizations to help maintain essential air transportation services that support local economies.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Are any of these COVID-related or are these just normal initiatives?

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

We have them tagged as COVID-related because they came as a reaction to the COVID initiative and the disruptions that have impacted that industry.

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

We have about $31 million for violence against indigenous women and girls. The major portion of that is about $29 million. With about 15 seconds left, can you shed some light on that? Thank you.

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Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Glenn Purves

These are operating expenditures and contributions intended to support community-led solutions for reducing violence and addressing harms associated with attendance at federal Indian day schools, addressing service gaps and wage disparities in 46 emergency shelters, and supporting off-reserve shelters used by indigenous women and children.