Evidence of meeting #38 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was question.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Paul Cardegna
Jean-Yves Duclos  President of the Treasury Board
Roger Ermuth  Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Office of the Comptroller General, Treasury Board Secretariat
Glenn Purves  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Karen Cahill  Assistant Secretary and Chief Financial Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Rod Greenough  Executive Director, Expenditure Strategies and Estimates, Treasury Board Secretariat
Tolga Yalkin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Workplace Policies and Services, Treasury Board Secretariat

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Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

It's on the same point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Is there another point of order?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. MacKinnon, do you have a point of order?

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Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

No, it's on the same point of order. It's on Mr. Paul-Hus' point of order.

I would just simply remind you, Mr. Chair, with great respect, that the Speaker has repeatedly reminded us that we are to be available with a secure connection and at all times attentive to parliamentary proceedings as we navigate this extraordinary—

6 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I have a point of order, Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you.

We're getting into debate here, Mr. MacKinnon.

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Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

We certainly are.

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Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

No, but you—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Order.

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Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Mr. Chair—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Order.

Mr. MacKinnon, it has to be respectful, and so I will ask you to be respectful of every committee member here in your response.

Mr. MacKinnon, you have the floor.

6 p.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

As I was concluding, Mr. Chair, we have been reminded to speak with a secure connection and be attentive at all times to parliamentary proceedings. This is an extraordinary time, but Mr. Paul-Hus' point of order is in fact not a point of order because of those directives and that convention that has been set down from the Speaker of the House.

6 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Paul-Hus Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Mr.Chair…

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. Drouin—

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Conservative

Pierre Paul-Hus Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. Drouin was first.

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Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I'd like to say something with respect to the issue for which the point of order was raised, Mr. Chair.

I understand that some members may occasionally experience problems with Internet connections or other similar difficulties. If we had been in April, May, or June 2020, I would have felt some sympathy for them, but we are now in June 2021. All MPs should by now be familiar with the procedures.

I would also remind the members that last Friday, several of them used dilatory tactics to vote in a non-traditional way.

I would also remind everyone…

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Thank you, Mr. Drouin—

Mr. Drouin, we are entering into debate. Mr. Drouin, order.

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Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

… that several members reported having had trouble…

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. Drouin, order. Order, Mr. Drouin.

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Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

… getting to the House because the bus wasn't on time. So a little maturity in this debate is required.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

Mr. Drouin, order. Order.

This is becoming a debate. We are going to end this debate. They're not points of order, so we will move on.

There is not unanimous consent to have another vote. The floor is to Ms. Harder.

In light of the time, as we look at the time and being respectful of our services, we will go with four minutes for Ms. Harder and four minutes for Mr. Jowhari.

Ms. Harder, you have four minutes.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I have a brief point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Robert Gordon Kitchen

I will quickly let you have this, Mr. Green.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Just for my own clarity—and I apologize if I don't know—is it against procedural Standing Orders to introduce a motion twice, or could Ms. Harder—