Evidence of meeting #49 for Health in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Simon Kennedy  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Theresa Tam  Interim Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
Michel Perron  Vice-President, External Affairs and Business Development, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Paul Glover  President, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

We'll call to order this meeting of our Standing Committee on Health.

We welcome our witnesses today. We have a plethora of witnesses so we're going to propose that we just have the minister make an opening statement and then go directly to questions.

Does the committee agree that we'll just have an opening statement by the minister?

I guess that's approved.

First of all, I'll introduce our guests, starting with Mr. Michel Perron from the Canadian Institutes of Health Research. He is vice-president of external affairs and business development.

We have Mr. Paul Glover, president of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

From the Department of Health we have deputy minister Simon Kennedy.

From the Public Health Agency of Canada we have Siddika Mithani, president and Theresa Tam, interim chief public health officer.

Finally, we have the Honourable Jane Philpott, Minister of Health.

Minister, if you'd like to open with an opening statement.

11:05 a.m.

Markham—Stouffville Ontario

Liberal

Jane Philpott LiberalMinister of Health

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I appreciate being invited here today to discuss Health Canada's 2017-18 main estimates and our proposed spending, which has been identified as part of budget 2017.

Since I was here last year presenting the main estimates, I've had the opportunity to travel the country, and to visit and hear from Canadians about the health issues that concern them. I know that you, as a committee, have also heard from many Canadians, including those in indigenous communities in this country.

My career as a medical doctor made me realize how necessary it is to improve health outcomes for Canadians. My experiences as a minister over the past year have confirmed that.

I'm very pleased to have this opportunity to discuss the resources that we, as a federal government, are putting towards making these kinds of improvements.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for announcing those who are accompanying me today. I will not repeat their names. I'm pleased that they are here.

I will first say a few words, and then I would be pleased to answer your questions.

As you'll see reflected in the 2017-18 main estimates, Health Canada is delivering on many priority initiatives for our government. These are going to result in approximately $4 billion in spending authorities for 2017-18. This is a net increase of more than $500 million from 2016-17, and there will be significant additional investments that were outlined in budget 2017 and will be identified through future supplementary and main estimates exercises.

I would like to highlight some of our government's priorities and the actions my department is taking to address them.

Canada's publicly funded health care system, as you well know, is a great source of pride for Canadians. The federal government along with our provincial and territorial partners recognize the need to strengthen the health care system so that it adapts, innovates, and addresses the many new challenges that Canadians are facing every day.

I'm pleased that almost all jurisdictions now have accepted our federal offer of new investments in health care with significant new money, in particular for shared priorities including mental health and home care.

You will note that over the next five years, the Canada health transfer amounts provided to provinces and territories are expected to total approximately $200 billion, providing long-term, predictable, and growing funding to our provincial and territorial partners.

This year's funding, for example, will be approximately $1.1 billion higher than it was last year.

As part of our deliberations with the provinces and territories, we identified some particular health care priorities, specifically, mental health and home care.

One thing I learned as a doctor, and no doubt you all understand as well, is that there is no health without mental health.

Over the past few months, I have had meetings in eastern Canada and I participated in a roundtable in Toronto. Stakeholders talked to me about what we could do to improve mental health services, especially when it comes to young people, and the need to monitor those improvements.

There's a growing awareness in Canada about both the importance of mental health and the large number of Canadians who are affected by it. Indeed, most Canadians are affected, either directly or indirectly, by matters of mental illness.

There's a recognition, as well, about the tremendous importance of and the rising need for home care. As we may have discussed before, some 15% of hospital beds are currently occupied by patients who would prefer to receive their care at home or who would be better off in some kind of community-based setting.

Budget 2017 proposes to provide $6 billion over 10 years for home care and $5 billion over 10 years to support better access to mental health care. These initiatives will make Canada's health care systems more responsive to the needs and expectations of all Canadians.

Two other priorities were identified during discussions leading to a renewed health accord—making prescription drugs more affordable and ensuring that our health care is more focused on innovation.

To improve access to prescription medicines and lower drug prices, budget 2017 proposes to invest $140 million over the next five years. This will support important work by Health Canada, the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, and the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health. To expand e-prescribing, virtual care initiatives, and the adoption and use of electronic medical records, we propose $300 million over the next five years to support the Canada Health Infoway.

We also propose to invest $51 million over three years in the Canadian Foundation for Healthcare Improvement, to help accelerate innovation in our health care system. We plan to invest $53 million over the next five years for the Canadian Institute for Health Information to improve decision-making and strengthen reporting of health-related principles and outcomes.

Based on observations from my own travels to first nations and Inuit communities across the country, I believe very strongly that improving the health of indigenous peoples in Canada must be a priority for our government.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada has asked the federal government to close the gaps in health outcomes between aboriginal communities and non-aboriginal communities. That is exactly what we are currently doing.

Through budget 2017, we're proposing to invest $813 million in new money for health services for first nations and Inuit. This includes new money to increase community-based infectious disease programming, to expand access to nurse practitioners as well as physician services, to increase access to mental health and wellness services, and to increase home and community care services on reserve.

As you'll note in the main estimates, Health Canada's funding for first nations and Inuit health programs will increase by approximately $440 million this year. This will include $82 million for major repairs, expansions, and new construction of health infrastructure such as nursing stations, health centres, acute care facilities, as well as drug and alcohol treatment centres.

The estimates also include support for three other related matters: $58 million to continue implementing our legal obligations under the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement; $27 million to provide first nations communities on reserve with access to safe, reliable water and waste-water systems; and $25 million to address urgent mental health needs in these communities.

Finally, we will also invest this year $137 million in interim reforms related to Jordan's principle. This will ensure that first nations children on reserve have access to the same publicly funded health and social services as other Canadians, and that no child falls through the cracks. The need for this action is obvious. In July 2016, we announced funding of $382 million over three years. Since then, more than 3,300 requests for services and supports related to Jordan's principle have been approved for first nations children.

Another health priority we're addressing is our country's opioid crisis.

I went to British Columbia and met with those who have to deal with the crisis—first responders who are repeatedly called upon to deal with overdoses, as well as families and friends who are suffering the loss of a loved one.

I also want to thank the committee for the work it has done thus far, especially its effort to accelerate the passing of Bill C-37 by Parliament.

Addiction rates and overdose rates are on the rise, and our response must be comprehensive, collaborative, compassionate, and evidence-based.

Last December, I announced the Canadian drugs and substances strategy, which will replace the current national anti-drug strategy. It re-establishes harm reduction as one of the key pillars of our policy along with prevention, treatment and law enforcement.

In February of this year, we announced $65 million over five years for national measures to respond to the crisis, and budget 2017 proposes an additional $35 million, for a total of new investments of more than $100 million over the next five years.

Our government is well on track toward legalizing, strictly regulating, and restricting access to cannabis.

On the matter of CFIA, the health of Canadian families depends on access to safe and nutritious foods. To help strengthen Canada's world-class food safety system, budget 2016, you'll recall, provided $38.5 million over two years to invest in systems that focus on high-risk domestic and imported foods. Budget 2017 continues this direction, proposing to provide up to $149 million over the next five years to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency to carry out this work.

That funding enables the CFIA to develop more stringent and consistent food safety regulations, and to modernize core food safety inspection programs. As a result, Canada will be better able to prevent, identify and address food safety risks.

In addition, several of the priorities of budget 2017 will require that agencies across the health portfolio continue to collaborate on many health priorities. For example, budget 2017 proposes to allocate $47 million over five years to Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research to develop and implement a national action plan to address the broad range of health risks associated with climate change.

I am confident that the amounts noted in our main estimates and the funds identified in budget 2017 are going to help us to continue to support better health outcomes for all Canadians and to build a healthier country.

Thank you to the committee once again for inviting us to join you today. We are grateful for your contributions. I am certainly looking forward to your questions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Thank you very much for your presentation.

My understanding is that you have to leave at 12:00. Is that correct?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Yes.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Just so the members know, the minister is leaving at 12:00. The officials will stay later for more questions.

The other piece of news is that the thalidomide information will be here by Monday, April 10. We'll have that and we'll distribute it. The clerk has been notified that we'll have that.

All right. We are going to start our seven-minute round of questions with Mr. Kang.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

Mr. Chair, I want to share my time with Ms. Sidhu. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister, for the broad and detailed testimony. In a short time, I think you really gave us the whole plan. Thanks for that.

Minister, my question is about first nations and Inuit health programming. Priority III of the 2017-18 departmental plan for Health Canada is to “strengthen First Nations and Inuit health programming.” One of the key initiatives to support that priority is to “[a]ddress the Truth and Reconciliation Commission health recommendations, including mental wellness programming.”

In its “Report and Recommendations on the Opioid Crisis in Canada”, this committee recommended:

That the Government of Canada commit to providing stable needs-based funding for First Nations in order for them to implement the First Nations Mental Wellness Continuum Framework.

What consideration has Health Canada given to providing funding to first nations in order to implement the first nations mental wellness continuum framework? What mental wellness programming is being considered by Health Canada, and will this programming be available to all indigenous people or restricted to status Indians and Inuit? Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you for an excellent question. This is an important one. In fact, I think there is much good news in budget 2017 as it relates to this matter.

As you indicated, there are a variety of reasons why this needs to be a priority for our government. One that you pointed to is the fact that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission made a number of recommendations to which we are obligated to respond, and 11 of those specifically speak to health issues. I think it should be no surprise to this committee to recognize the fact that, on any broad range of metrics, there are unacceptable disparities between the health outcomes enjoyed by indigenous Canadians as compared to those of non-indigenous Canadians, so it is of the utmost urgency that we work to address those disparities.

To that end, I believe that the investments in this budget will be very helpful. There is, as I indicated, $813 million of new investment in a whole range of areas. We have worked with our indigenous partners, with leadership in first nations and Inuit communities, to specifically clarify where their needs and priorities are. This is the largest single investment in first nations and Inuit health overall in well over a decade. In the area of home care, which we know is a priority that has been identified by Canadians, this is the largest investment increase in Canadian history for first nations and Inuit. This is good news, but there is a tremendous amount of work to be done.

You spoke to the matter of mental wellness. I am glad that you noted in particular the mental wellness continuum framework, which has been established by first nations. Certainly the budget's investments in mental health will be incredibly important in allowing that continuum framework to be implemented fully. We look forward to working with our partners in first nations communities, specifically to address that framework. We believe that the investments made last year to augment mental health resources, in addition to the new investments coming this year, will go a long way to responding.

I would be happy to provide any further specific details that you would like.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

Thank you, Minister.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Ms. Sidhu.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Minister. Thank you for coming today to talk to us as a committee.

I know that our government's historical investment in home care will make a big difference in our communities.

Can you please explain what this adjustment means to the communities across Canada, the over almost $2 billion in Ontario for home care? I know it's the territories' and provinces' responsibility to deliver that, but how do you foresee that being delivered?

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

You're absolutely right. The investments in home care are very important for the long-term sustainability of health care systems across the country. We all know that health care is the largest single budget item on the books of our provincial and territorial colleagues and that there are ways we need to make sure, as Canadians, that public funds are used for home care and that they are used in a way that there is good value for money. We know, for instance, that some of the most expensive ways to deliver care are in hospitals and by physicians.

Health experts, as you well know, will say that one of the ways we can do better is to be able to get care into the communities, so we're very pleased that, as we worked with our provincial and territorial counterparts, they agreed this is an area of priority, and that we were able to offer additional resources, on top of the growing Canada health transfer, specifically for home care, which will allow that transformation of the health system to get people out of hospitals and to get the care they need at home.

To date I've had really excellent opportunities across the country to meet with home care providers and to meet with provincial officials and experts on this to see the kinds of ideas that provinces have about how they want to use this money. We expect to come together in the near future with all provinces and territories to talk about specifics as to how they will use those new investments in care and also, importantly, to agree upon a series of metrics or national standards as to what Canadians will expect so that we will be accountable to Canadians for making sure that the investments we make in home care will in fact go to improved access to care.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

When will the funds provided under these agreements begin to flow?

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

There are specific arrangements that are being made as we speak in that regard. In terms of how quickly the funds flow, I know it is important that it be done as quickly as possible. I don't know whether we have a specific date on that. Do we?

11:20 a.m.

Simon Kennedy Deputy Minister, Department of Health

We have further conversations we have to have with the provinces and territories, but to have the first year of funding flow fairly quickly, we're looking at what the mechanisms would be to do that. The idea would be to get going and put some of that money out fairly quickly in year one without having the conversations we need to have on the details slowing that down. We've already told the provinces and territories that is the intention, and we're working with the government to figure out what the best mechanism is to do that.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Time is up.

Dr. Carrie.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the minister for being here for the estimates. I almost feel bad for you, though, having to defend your government's irresponsible fiscal management, but I only have seven minutes so I'm going to get right into the questions. I have three to start, and if you don't mind, I'd like to ask them all.

The first one is, in the budget there was a mention of public education, programming, and surveillance activities for marijuana. Given your government's priority, I was wondering if you could define that for us.

The second one is with regard to vulnerable Canadians who depend on medical marijuana. They trusted you and your government to ensure that what they were using was regulated and, more importantly, safe. That was the promise; however, we found out that dangerous carcinogenic fungicides were being used in medical marijuana. Obviously the current inspection system isn't working, so this leads to the second question. Is more money being allocated for inspection following the recall of medical marijuana products that were putting vulnerable users at risk?

The third question is, are proper inspections actually now taking place? If so, how many have been done?

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I'm very pleased that you identified investments in public education in the budget. As you know, when it comes to cannabis our government has made a commitment to work toward legislation that will legalize cannabis, regulate it, and restrict access for the purpose of keeping cannabis out of the hands of kids and the profits of this industry out of the hands of criminal organizations. To that end, one of the very important recommendations we received from the task force is to make sure there is a broad public education campaign. I believe $9.6 million has been identified in the budget to begin that.

Some very important work has been done by the department in developing what that public education campaign will look like. The very beginnings of it have started to roll out but I know people will look forward to seeing an expansion of that. There is ongoing funding in that and, of course, when the legislation is tabled it will be important that we appropriately resource this important aspect of public education.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

You have no details yet.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I'm not sure we're at liberty to give a whole lot of details. Of course, some of it relates to things like social media campaigns, making sure we get the right information to the right audiences. We know that young people are those who are often most at risk. But of course their parents are also very interested. So we're looking at different kinds of platforms to make sure the message gets out to the right audiences in that regard.

Do you want me to move on to the other parts of your questions for the sake of time? Or I can ask for some clarification.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Yes, please because your officials will be here. We can get that detail.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I'm glad you raised the matter of inspection. The regulations around security and safety of the medical cannabis industry in Canada are extremely rigorous. Other countries look to our program as they look to regulating a similar type of industry. Health Canada does conduct regular and unannounced inspections of the licensed producers who are given authority under federal regulation to produce medical cannabis. We have announced that, as a result of the information that you described, we will now do random testing as well, in addition to the regular inspections of licensed producers. I don't know whether my deputy wants to elaborate on that but in terms of the rigour we want to certainly assure you that work is being continued to be sure we have all the right inspection processes.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

It's important that resources are set aside, because this is not only for medical marijuana. Your government has promised, in a very tight timeline, to roll it out for legalization for all Canadians. We're seeing that the inspections, obviously, weren't working if you're getting these fungicides. Are more funds being allocated for it? Are proper inspections now taking place and, if so, how many have been done since we found out about this problem?

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you. Obviously, I can't give details right now on what the legislation is going to look like, and the process by which....

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Is there more money?

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I'm not at liberty to be able to share the specifics of the legislation until it's tabled. But I want to remind the committee that in any production, whether it be the production of toothpaste or lettuce or pharmaceutical products, part of the strength of Canada's regulatory system, when it comes to consumer products, when it comes to food safety, when it comes to pharmaceutical products is to make sure we have strict systems in place to identify contamination. Contaminations do happen from time to time, and that's why we have systems in place to recall immediately, as was done in these circumstances, to make sure that people are aware if something has been identified and then to be sure that the systems are in place so we will always be able to make those identifications as quickly as possible and inform people who might be at risk.

Perhaps you would be reassured by some comments from my deputy in that regard.