Evidence of meeting #12 for Health in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was covid-19.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Amir Attaran  Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Michael Strong  President, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Matt de Vlieger  Director General, Immigration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Philippe Massé  Director General, Temporary Foreign Worker Program, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Steven Jurgutis  Director General, Policy, Planning and Integration Directorate, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Mitch Davies  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

3:40 p.m.

Prof. Amir Attaran

I would like to answer, because my name was used and a comment was made.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Dr. Attaran, it's Ms. Sidhu's time. It's up to her to use it as she pleases.

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Prof. Amir Attaran

Sure, Mr. Chair, but I did hear a comment addressed to me. If my name is going to be used, I do feel the need to respond.

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Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

You can give an answer. I just want to say, the mandate letter to the minister is the responsibilities, and this is the first government to declare that. It's the responsibilities in terms of how the minister can work and lead the government to work to strengthen public health.

This is a pandemic situation. We are all going through a very tough situation and we all have to work together. We have to find the solution. I know we start early in terms of the government response to COVID-19, and today we are seeing our researchers and seeing what more we can do to bend the curve or to plank the curve.

That is just my two cents. You can give any advice on that, too.

3:40 p.m.

Prof. Amir Attaran

Thank you.

My advice is going to be let's not try to be dishonest about the past. It has not been a priority of any Canadian government—and I say this equally of Conservative or Liberal governments—to prepare for pandemics. After SARS, we had a very clear warning and we had a national study on lessons learned. Nearly all the recommendations from that report weren't implemented.

With respect to the mandate letters, no, it is actually not correct that any of the—

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Mr. Attaran—

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Prof. Amir Attaran

—mandate letters mention pandemic preparedness at all.

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Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Mr. Attaran, this is not a partisan issue. How can we plank the curve? Can we work together and see whether the vaccines are working and that type of thing? Can the CIHR do more for public research, for PPE? Can you give advice on that?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Ms. Sidhu, I'm going to cut you off there. You're well over time.

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Liberal

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We'll go to Ms. Rempel Garner.

Ms. Rempel Garner, please go ahead. You have five minutes.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

All my questions are directed to Mitch Davies, the representative that the Department of Industry has designated to answer our questions today.

Mr. Davies, as you can imagine, many Canadians are wondering how their lives can get back to some level of normalcy. Has the government or any official internal to your department directed your department to prepare or participate in any type of formally structured, federal government-led national economic relaunch strategy that includes staged and safe lifting of mass isolation measures?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

In addition to the work I referenced in my opening comments in terms of moving Canada's industrial capacity to address the immediate needs to produce critical equipment, it's also important, obviously, that we look to when the economy is going to return and what conditions will be required. Again, those matters are under the care or responsibility of the public health experts, but certainly there are areas where innovation, technology and the deployment of the right responses—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Davies, I have a very short period of time. My specific question was this: Have you been directed to participate in a formal strategy to relaunch the economy?

Many other countries already have that type of panel put together, and today the Prime Minister wasn't clear on his answer. Therefore, I wonder if the government or any department official internal to your department has directed your department to begin work on a formal framework for this.

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

We, in our department, are working with the Department of Finance, which is—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Davies, I'm not hearing you. I'm wondering if you're speaking loudly enough.

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

It was working. Can you hear me now?

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I can hear him, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Oh, thanks very much.

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

My apologies.

I was just providing the answer that in the department we are working with the Department of Finance, with the Department of Health, with the Public Health Agency of Canada in looking into the issue that's been raised by the honourable member, which is obviously recovery and return to work. We are working jointly with those departments on the strategies that will get us forward into that—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Is there a formal framework for this that the committee could review?

3:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

Mr. Chair, I do not have a formal document or a framework that I would introduce at this time. It is a conversation that is—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

—very much ongoing in the Government of Canada.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

I'll now ask some questions with regard to a National Post article that reported that the federal government is undertaking efforts to assist provinces in preparing contact tracing systems related to COVID-19.

Has the government or any official internal to your department directed your department to prepare advice to the government on potential privacy issues related to utilizing individual testing data and contact tracing as part of a strategy to begin lifting mass isolation measures?