Evidence of meeting #34 for Health in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Evelyn Lukyniuk

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Ms. Jansen.

Is there any further discussion on Ms. Sidhu's amendment?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That wraps up our business for the moment. We now—

1 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

I'm sorry if I've misunderstood this, but did Mr. Desilets vote no?

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I believe so.

1 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Would that not be six nays to five yeas?

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I'll ask the clerk to verify it.

Madam Clerk, would you verify?

1 p.m.

The Clerk

I had Mr. Desilets voting yes.

Mr. Desilets, could you confirm?

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Monsieur Desilets, did you vote oui or non on the motion as amended?

1 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Desilets, you're on mute.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

There's been an issue with the audio for the past minute or so. Can I have just a moment to listen back to what was said? I'll get right back to you.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Robert Gordon Kitchen Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I very clearly heard Mr. Desilets say “no”. If he's needing to hear from the whip, then I think it's inappropriate. We had the vote; he voted no.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We are just confirming his vote.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Robert Gordon Kitchen Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

This gives the individual a second vote, Mr. Chair.

He had his first vote. He does not get a chance to revote once the vote is done.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I'm against the amendment. It's not my fault there was a problem with the audio. I'm in favour of the motion.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The vote is on the motion as amended. Is that how you voted?

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

If you can hear me, on the amended motion, my vote is yea.

Can you hear me, Mr. Chair?

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Did you vote on the amended motion, yes or no?

I'm sorry, Mr. Desilets, you're—

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I vote yea on the amended motion. If you can hear me, my vote is yea.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you.

The clerk's tally stands. The motion is carried.

1 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I have a point of order on this. I'd like to ask the clerk's advice on this.

I want Mr. Desilets to vote the way he wanted, but he did vote no on the motion. I don't know what happens in a case like this. Are you allowed to change your vote after the vote has been conducted, because perhaps you were confused about what we were voting on? I don't want to get too technical, but I'd like to know from the clerk what the proper procedure is in a case like this.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I will jump in here first. We see this all the time in the House. People may vote one way or the other on a bill or a motion, and they stand up later and say, “Please, correct my vote,” and the Speaker accepts that. I think that's an appropriate process for this. We want people to be clear about what they're voting on and, if they are mistaken on that, I think it behooves us to accept their correction.

If, Madam Clerk, you wish to give any further insight into this, please feel free to do so.

1 p.m.

The Clerk

I can look at the blues after the meeting and put in the proper decisions, or we could suspend and I could go look at ParlVu right now.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The question, as far as I'm concerned, is not whether Mr. Desilets said “yes” or “no” at the time. It's whether he was clear on what he was voting on. He has since asked for his vote to be recorded as a yes on that motion. As chair, I would rule that in order for him to do because it is consistent with House practice. I have observed over the years that people who have inadvertently voted wrongly on a given matter have been allowed by the Speaker to correct a vote afterwards.

Ms. Jansen, do you have a comment?

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I'm just curious how the clerk counted his answer as a yes when he said no? How did that happen exactly?

July 20th, 2020 / 1:05 p.m.

The Clerk

I'm sorry. That's how I registered it. I would be happy to look at ParlVu or the blues of the meeting.