Evidence of meeting #37 for Health in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was children.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lynne Tomson  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Health
Stephen Lucas  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Nadine Leblanc  Senior Vice-President, Policy, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

I call this meeting to order. Welcome to meeting number 37 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Health.

Today we meet for two hours with ministers and witnesses on our study of Bill C-31, an act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the House order of June 23, 2022. All the regular opening remarks apply, including the warning against taking screenshots or photos of your screen. The proceedings will be made available on the House of Commons website.

I would now like to welcome the ministers and witnesses with us here this afternoon.

We have the Honourable Jean-Yves Duclos, Minister of Health, as well as the Honourable Ahmed Hussen, Minister of Housing and Diversity and Inclusion.

They are joined by officials from Health Canada: Dr. Stephen Lucas, deputy minister, and Lynne Tomson, associate assistant deputy minister, strategic policy branch. We also have officials from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation: Ms. Nadine Leblanc, senior vice-president, policy, and Ms. Patricia Roset-Zuppa, vice-president, policy development.

Thank you, all, for being here today.

Just before we go to you, Minister Duclos, I believe we have a point of order from Monsieur Garon.

4:35 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Chair, I would just like you to confirm that everyone participating in the meeting online has done the sound tests for the interpretation and they were successful.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

The clerk confirms that it was done.

Thank you to all of the witnesses.

Minister Duclos, we're going to start with you. You have the floor for the next five minutes. Welcome to the committee, Minister.

4:35 p.m.

Québec Québec

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos LiberalMinister of Health

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, members of this committee.

Thank you for this opportunity to discuss Bill C‑31, An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing, with you.

As you noted, I am accompanied by Stephen Lucas, the Deputy Minister of Health, and by Lynne Tomson...

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

My translation is not working. Maybe I'll just move the chair. I'm sorry. It was working a minute ago and then it stopped. We can try to see if the system works.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Can you hear me in English in your headset?

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Yes.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Right.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec, QC

Excellent.

I am accompanied by Lynne Tomson, who is the Associate Assistant Deputy Minister.

With inflation rising, Canadians are feeling the pinch. Food, housing and other essentials are all becoming more expensive. That leaves many families making difficult choices about how to spend their money. And sometimes, important expenditures have to be put on hold - including dental care for the kids.

While inflation is a global challenge, the Government of Canada is taking action to make life more affordable for families in this country. We have therefore tabled legislation that proposes a Canada dental benefit to help bridge the gap for families who struggle to pay for dental care for their children. If passed, this interim benefit would be available later this year to eligible families with children under 12.

I believe we all agree that, without a doubt, dental care is essential to maintaining good oral health, but for too many families the cost of care means seeing a dental professional is simply out of reach. Approximately one-third of Canadians do not have insurance to cover dental costs. In 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported that they could not afford dental care. That is roughly seven million people, many of whom are children.

Faced with such difficult financial choices, too many parents have to postpone or forgo important dental care for their children at a time when their teeth are developing. The result can be poor oral health outcomes for some of our youngest children, who can carry the consequences through their childhood and beyond.

That is why we are introducing the Canada dental benefit.

Under this proposed legislation, the benefit would be available for eligible families with children under 12. It would allow these families to access direct payments totalling up to $1,300 per eligible child over a two-year period, up to $650 per year, for dental care services. The benefit would also be tax-free.

To be eligible for the benefit, applicants will have to meet certain criteria. First, they must have a child under 12 years of age in their care who does not have access to private dental care coverage. Second, they will have to provide information about their employer, to help verify whether or not they have access to dental insurance for their child. Third, they must have an adjusted family net income under $90,000 per year. Fourth, they must have filed their most recent tax return. Fifth, they must be the parent or legal guardian who receives the Canada Child Benefit for the eligible child. And sixth, they must have spent, or have a plan to spend, money on dental care expenses for the child that won't be fully reimbursed under another public program.

Parents will be able to apply for the benefit through the Canada Revenue Agency’s My Account, or through their CRA contact centre. If eligible, they will receive a payment up front, which they can use to take their child to the dentist. This will help ensure that families are not out of pocket for dental expenses they cannot afford.

That will eliminate more barriers to access to care and ensure that children do not miss out on dental care at a critical point in their development.

In conclusion, in Canada we believe that costs should not be a barrier to proper health care, including oral health care. If passed, the Canada dental benefit would provide more equitable access to dental care for children so that they can enjoy the benefits of positive oral health.

Our hope is that the proposed legislation will be passed quickly so that individual families can receive the Canada dental benefit in 2022.

Thank you.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Minister Duclos.

Next we have the Minister of Housing, Diversity and Inclusion, the Honourable Ahmed Hussen.

Welcome to the committee, Minister Hussen. You have the floor for the next five minutes.

4:40 p.m.

York South—Weston Ontario

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen LiberalMinister of Housing and Diversity and Inclusion

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Before I begin, I would like to acknowledge that the land on which we gather today is part of the traditional territories of the Algonquin Anishinaabe people.

I'm very pleased to appear before this committee today to talk about one of the affordability measures that we introduced in the House of Commons on September 20, the one time top-up to the Canada housing benefit.

Our government has made housing a priority throughout its mandate. We all believe that every Canadian deserves a safe and affordable place to call home, but we also recognize that it is becoming increasingly challenging for many Canadians to afford rent or to find housing across the country. As part of our efforts to make life more affordable for Canadians in all aspects of their lives, our government recognizes that many need immediate additional assistance.

That is why we have introduced this legislation to provide a direct federal government housing top-up payment of $500 to 1.8 million Canadians who are struggling with the cost of rent. The impacts of the pandemic are still being felt by many Canadians. This one-time top-up will be a tax-free payment to provide direct support to low-income renters, those who are experiencing housing affordability challenges.

This federal benefit will be available to applicants with an adjusted net income below $35,000 for families, or below $20,000 for individuals, and who pay at least 30% of their adjusted net income on rent.

There's a reason housing is at the heart of Budget 2022, with more than $14 billion committed to doubling the number of new safe and affordable homes we're building across the country, to tackle the rising cost of housing and to find long-term solutions for the housing sector in Canada.

This new, one-time federal payment will be in addition to the already existing Canada housing benefit that is already delivered in partnership with provinces and territories. We know that families need the support now. That is why we are hoping that this payment will be launched before the end of the year.

This one-time payment for renters is another targeted approach to ensuring that vulnerable families are not left behind. It is part of our government's plan to make housing more affordable for all Canadians.

However, it is not enough to find a single solution to help the Canadians who need it most. The National Housing Strategy, a ten-year plan of over $72 billion, includes multiple solutions to make housing more affordable for everyone.

This includes programs like the rapid housing initiative, which has already delivered or is on track to deliver over 10,250 permanently affordable homes for the most vulnerable. As announced in budget 2022, the success of this program is leading us to move forward with the third round of the rapid housing initiative, which will deliver an additional 4,500 units of deeply affordable housing for the most vulnerable.

I want to close by reiterating that making life more affordable for Canadians who need it most is the top priority for our government. Our proposed one-time top-up payment to the Canada housing benefit will help us deliver on this priority and offer real help to Canadians who need it now.

These are the kinds of measures that our government is putting into action right now to tackle the housing crisis, while taking a human rights-based approach to housing.

I want to thank you, Mr. Chair, for this opportunity. I'm happy to answer any questions posed by my colleagues.

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Minister.

We're now going to proceed to the rounds of questions, beginning with the Conservatives.

We'll go to Mrs. Goodridge, please, for six minutes.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the ministers for attending. It would have been nice to be able to have more witnesses, but alas, here we are.

I will start out with the Minister of Health.

Did you consult with the minister of health from Newfoundland?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec, QC

Thank you for the question.

Yes, we have talked with, listened to and engaged with all health ministers. We have had many meetings over the last few months. Although we are working on different files, we all know that this file is important.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Did you consult with every single minister of health specifically on this piece of legislation before introducing it?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec, QC

As I said, we've spoken with and we listened to all health ministers. We've had many meetings in the last few months. We are all working on many different important files for Canadians. This one is also an important one.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Did all the health ministers support this?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec, QC

All ministers—and I'm one of them—recognize that dental care is health care. When you invest in dental care, you invest in prevention. You invest in diagnostic. You invest in treatments. If a child ends up in a hospital with a generalized infection because of—

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Thank you.

Minister, we have a convention in this committee that you can answer for about as long as the question takes.

I will shift gears now and go to Minister Hussen.

Did you consult with the provincial and territorial ministers of housing?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

Absolutely. Not only am I in constant contact with my counterparts—ministers in the provinces and territories—we recently concluded a very productive meeting of federal-provincial-territorial ministers responsible for housing and homelessness. We've engaged constantly on issues around support for renters.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Were they were supportive of this exact legislation?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

I spoke to them about the need to support Canadian renters, low-income families—

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Do they support this exact legislation, yes or no?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

We remain in touch on all aspects of the housing spectrum, including how to better support vulnerable renters. This is one of the approaches to do that.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Minister, with all due respect, most rent across the country is, on average, $2,000 a month. This will cover approximately one week's rent in the entire year. I'm not sure if this is going to solve the homelessness issue across this country.