I didn't disagree with anything you just said, Mr. Chair, but I have to say that in this case, I'm having some trouble seeing the value of travel. I get the value for the electoral reform committee, which Nathan and I were both on, along with other long-suffering people from the committee. Ruby was there. It's all a blur now.
That had a value, but I'm not sure I see it in this case. If time is the issue, I think we would be better off being here and trying to arrange teleconference meetings with people. We could do more of it and spend less time in the air. That's where a very substantial proportion of our time will be spent if we're jetting around the country.