Evidence of meeting #146 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was tree.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Johanis  Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital
Andre Barnes  Committee Researcher
Lisa MacDonald  Senior Landscape Architect and Arborist, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Robert Wright  Assistant Deputy Minister, Parliamentary Precinct, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Lauzon
Jennifer Garrett  Director General, Centre Block Program, Department of Public Works and Government Services

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Good morning. Welcome to the 146th meeting of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

This morning, the committee is looking into a situation involving PSPC's plans for the white elm tree that lies on the east side of Centre Block, as you can see in the photo on the screen before you. There are three other photos that I took, and we'll run through them, too, so you get a closer look. It's just next to the statue of Sir John A. Macdonald. This matter was brought to our attention by today's first witness, Mr. Paul Johanis, Chair of Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital.

Before we start, I'll read to the committee a letter from the Speakers, so you know what their interest is. The Speakers wrote to the ADM of Public Services and Procurement Canada:

It has come to our attention that Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital has expressed concerns about the potential uprooting of a number of mature trees on the grounds of Parliament Hill to make way for the upcoming renovations to Centre Block. In particular, Greenspace is worried about a particular heritage elm tree, located next to the statue of Sir John A. Macdonald, just east of Centre Block.

With the understanding that such decisions are not taken lightly, we are asking Public Services and Procurement Canada to take all necessary measures to ensure the protection of these mature and now vulnerable trees during the Centre Block restoration.

It is our hope that with your support, a solution can be found to address the concerns that have been raised.

Welcome, Mr. Johanis. Maybe before you start, you could identify anyone in the audience who is related to the four organizations you said had an interest in this topic.

11 a.m.

Paul Johanis Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Good morning.

Yes, there are members of Greenspace Alliance here, and members of Big Trees of Kitchissippi, which is a neighbourhood in the western part of Ottawa. We have Daniel Buckles and Debra Huron. Also here is Robert McAulay, president of the Beaverbrook Community Association in the Kanata area of Ottawa, who is very active in tree protection. Jennifer Humphries has just joined us. She is a member of the Community Associations for Environmental Sustainability, CAFES.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Thank you.

The clerk will cycle through a couple more photos.

Mr. Johanis, we look forward to some opening remarks, and then we'll have some questions from the committee members.

11 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, vice-chairs and members of the standing committee.

We're very honoured to be here. I have to say that we never expected to be here, but we're very happy to be here. Thank you for putting this on the agenda for the committee's consideration, and for inviting me to speak to you today.

I speak to you on behalf of four organizations that sent you the letter concerning the elm on March 18: Ecology Ottawa, a grassroots organization with a broad environmental mandate and a large following, mostly aimed at a younger demographic; the Ottawa Field-Naturalists' Club, founded in 1863 and the oldest natural history club in Canada, with 800-odd members; the Community Associations for Environmental Sustainability, CAFES, a collective of about 30 neighbourhood associations in Ottawa, including all or most of those in this riding, Ottawa Centre; and the Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital, of which I'm the current chair. We're a 100% volunteer, non-profit organization dedicated to protecting and preserving green space in the Ottawa-Gatineau area since 1997.

We're here to ask for two things. The first is to delay the removal of the centenary elm until after “leaf out”, so that its condition can be ascertained clearly and without controversy. The second is to reconsider the currently held assumptions about the size and location of phase two of the visitor welcome complex.

Why reconsider these assumptions? These assumptions are the proximate cause of the planned removal of the elm. We believe they should be revisited to confirm that the implicit trade-off that is being made between preserving the elm and building phase two of the visitor welcome complex in the same location still holds. To be clear, unless the government is open to considering or reconsidering these assumptions, the elm cannot be saved.

Why delay the removal of the elm? Well, to reconsider this trade-off, you as parliamentarians really need up-to-date, conclusive information about its condition.

Why this tree? Why are we going all-out to protect this one tree? First, it's not just any tree. It's an American elm. It's a species that was widespread in this part of Ontario until it was all but wiped out by Dutch elm disease in our area in the 1970s and 1980s. There were many on Parliament Hill, but this one is the sole survivor. It is unique. It's distinctive. It's historic.

For our colleagues in the Ottawa Field-Naturalists' Club, on this basis alone it would deserve protection and preservation wherever it might be located, but it's not located just anywhere. It stands next to Canada's most iconic building, Centre Block of Parliament. From this close proximity, it acquires an added significance and takes on an emblematic quality. Whatever happens to this elm makes a statement, which gets magnified and resonates far and wide.

To community organizations such as CAFES, the elm is emblematic of every mature tree being routinely taken down in their neighbourhoods to make way for infill and renovation. The loss of mature trees in Ottawa's core, and in urban centres across Canada, has reached crisis proportions. Community associations are desperate to stop the loss of tree canopy in their neighbourhoods. They are aghast to see the same dynamic being played out on Parliament Hill—they really can't understand it—wherein a builder with a plan always trumps green space.

To Ecology Ottawa, whatever happens to the elm is emblematic of the federal response to climate change. Mr. Reid, at the last meeting, referred to the 2006 long-term vision and plan for the parliamentary precinct. The rehabilitation of Centre Block represents the culmination of this vision. At the same meeting, deputy clerk Michel Patrice emphasized the need to reassess plans when things have changed.

Well, things have changed in a fundamental way since 2006. In 2019, climate change is real and action is urgently required to mitigate its impact. This is why the scope of the visitor centre now needs to be reconsidered. In this new context, different relative weights would likely be applied in the implicit trade-offs being made between preserving the elm and locating phase two of the visitor complex in that same space.

At this time of climate crisis, every action matters. Every bit of warming matters. Every year matters, and every choice matters. This is the message the youth strike for climate brought to Parliament Hill and all over the world on March 15. I was with them on the Hill that day, and I spoke with maybe 100 of them, singly and in groups. When I pointed out the elm to them and informed them of the government's intention to cut it down, all reacted with shock, disbelief and disgust. They don't think you have your priorities right.

Up until last Tuesday, the elm did not stand alone. It was surrounded by many other mature trees. Most or all were removed by PSPC when they stripped the site of vegetation last week and turned it into a construction zone. This little enclave was part of the city's urban forest, which is one of the city's most important assets in its defence against climate change. It provided shade for visitors to the Hill, which is otherwise quite denuded, cooling and filtering the ambient air, absorbing and fixing carbon and releasing the oxygen we breathe, just the basic life-preserving work that trees do for us.

This clear-cut may seem catastrophic, but in fact it is also an opportunity. One of the arborist's reports commissioned by PSPC in September 2018 includes this recommendation:

If this tree is to be preserved where it stands, multiple measures will need to be taken....If we are to see any improvement in the trees health the entire critical root zone measuring 9 meters from the trees trunk in all directions should be carefully excavated and cleared of all unnatural debris. This area...would have to be closed off to the public and all soil within the area would need to be remediated.

If the option of preserving the tree were selected rather than cutting it down, the clear-cut and vegetation stripping carried out by PSPC has in fact made a good start towards doing this remediation work. It's an opportunity.

In prior communications, both PSPC and the NCC have asked us to consider how their plan includes the regreening of the area after the renovations are complete. To replace the elm with like for like would take 100 years. It is, for all practical purposes, irreplaceable.

Regarding the planting of other trees in 10, 13 or however many years it will take to complete this renovation project, all we can say is that it's literally too little too late. We have the same 10 or 12 years to take effective action against climate change if we wish to keep its impact within adaptable limits. Again, however, the clear-cut may present an opportunity. The field is now clear to proceed with this replanting immediately with large caliper trees and the 4:1 replacement ratio recommended by the NCC to recreate a new, improved green enclave in this location.

Every one of us is being called upon to take action against climate change in whatever small way we can, reducing our greenhouse gas emissions or preserving or increasing green space as carbon sinks in our homes, in our lifestyles and in our own backyards. Preserving the centenary elm and restoring this green space is something parliamentarians can do right here on Parliament Hill in your own backyard.

PSPC has referred to the poor condition of the centenary elm as justification for its removal. We have found that the information supporting this judgment is contradictory and inconclusive. Our technical report on the subject was sent to you on March 18. I will read out only its conclusion here:

Given the conflicting information concerning the condition of the tree, the dramatic unexplained changes observed in September 2018, the lack of testing or other inspection other than ground level visual observation and the fact that weather conditions in September 2018 might well indicate that heat and water stress were at the root of the tree’s observed condition, it would seem appropriate to delay the removal until such time as 1) it is ascertained whether the tree has survived into spring 2019, and 2) further testing is done to determine if the tree is affected by any disease.

Destruction of this elm must not happen, and it can be stopped by you, Canada's parliamentarians.

While the National Capital Commission provides federal land use authorization and Public Services and Procurement Canada, as custodian of the land and buildings, executes the construction and renovation project, both are working to requirements approved by the Speakers of the House and Senate who, on your behalf, exercise the powers of Parliament to regulate its own affairs and to administer its precinct. Indeed, this standing committee has rightly taken upon itself the exercise of oversight that is so badly needed for this renovation project.

We've heard from PSPC and parliamentary staff, at the last meeting, that designs for the second phase of the visitor's centre are still very preliminary. All they know right now is how big a hole they want to excavate. It's very big—wiping out the centenary elm and forestalling the growth of any greenery in the northeast quadrant of the Hill for many years. Is this what you want? Is this what Canadians want?

Please do the right thing. Preserve the elm and restore its retinue of trees for the benefits they provide locally here on Parliament Hill. Also, take this opportunity to send the right message to all Canadians watching. Every action matters. Every choice matters. Please delay the removal of the centenary elm until leaf out and initiate a process whereby the currently held assumptions about the size and location of phase two of the visitor welcome complex are reconsidered.

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Thank you very much.

Before we go to questions I just want to add a little bit of information that may affect your questions, or Mr. Johanis you could comment on them in your answers to questions.

First of all, I want to know how long these trees can live. The researcher looked that up for me. Do you want to read the quote?

11:15 a.m.

Andre Barnes Committee Researcher

The chair wanted to know the life expectancy. According to the University of Kentucky, many white or American elms can live to 100 to 200 years old, and some have been recorded as more than 300 years old.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We also have a dendrologist from Natural Resources Canada, who was asked to provide information to Public Works Canada.

He said:

Thanks for your request and for the opportunity to view the large white elm (Ulmus americana) located to the east of Centre Block on Parliament Hill.

The elm in question currently has less than 20% of the expected live crown of a healthy tree. The few leaves present in the crown are less than half the normal size expected for a white elm, are curling and show dead tissue among the leaf margins. In my opinion, the tree is unhealthy and may not survive into the spring of 2019.

Without testing, it's not possible for me to say what is affecting the tree, but I would speculate either Dutch elm disease or phloem necrosis.

Regardless, as the tree is no longer capable of generating a functional live crown, it can be expected to succumb in the very near future.

Don't hesitate to contact me should you require additional information.

We'll go to questions. We'll start with Mr. Graham.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Thank you.

I'm not sure that I'll fill up all seven minutes for this, but we'll start.

In the picture we have in front of us—which won't be in Hansard, but nevertheless—there are two other trees. Is either of them an elm tree?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

No, the other trees aren't elms.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Do you know what they are?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

I believe they're Norway maples, but I'm not a tree identification specialist.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

If those trees were to be removed, would that cause a problem?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

They've already been removed.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Okay, then I guess no.

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

The only tree that remains right now—that we can see, anyway, from beyond the fencing—is the elm.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

So 100 years from now, what do you expect this tree to look like?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

That elm?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Yes, that elm.

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

Elms have the capacity to actually just keep growing. Many trees hit a plateau, but elms can grow beyond their current size for a very long time. As we heard, the life expectancy of an elm such as this can be up to 200 years. There are elms that are twice the size of that, just from having packed on carbon, basically, over many years.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Let's say we hold off until the spring, for the sake of argument, and the tree does not survive. Would there be any objection to removing it once it's dead?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

No. If it's dead, then clearly you can't just leave a standing dead elm there.

We're here to advocate for green space. The elm is the star of that area, but there is other green space in that whole area. It's planned that there will be green space in the future, with the planting of trees, which is in the plan right now. We're just saying to accelerate that, do it right away.

There's a plan to commemorate the elm. We've heard that the wood from the elm might be used for furniture or other things. Another option for commemoration would be in situ carving of the stump of the elm. There are very beautiful stump carvings that are preserved and used as memorials from various things. That would be another option.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

If the tree is found to be unhealthy—we are hearing strong evidence that it is—would you object to having it cut down and used for furniture?

11:15 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

No, we wouldn't object to that. We're just more concerned that measures be taken to keep it alive if it's savable.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Go ahead. If you have more to say, go for it.

11:20 a.m.

Chair, Greenspace Alliance of Canada's Capital

Paul Johanis

I would like to refer to the comment, the memo that was read out by the chair. In fairness, this person responded on a 24-hour basis to a request from PSPC, provided a very quick response and was not able to produce a report with the full methodology and caveats that would normally be associated with a professional report.

Our contention is that the weather conditions of September 2018 weren't taken into account. Certainly, I don't think it is indicated in the report. We had two very long periods of heat with temperatures above 28°C to 30°C during September, which was very unusual, and very little rain all through to September 21, when the tornadoes swept through this place.

The tree was examined at a time when it was potentially under water stress and heat stress. That's not taken into account.