Evidence of meeting #149 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was election.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Lauzon
André Boucher  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Canadian Centre for Cyber Security, Communications Security Establishment

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

One of the other committees, yesterday, if you were in the House, actually made a report—it was on foreign policy in the Arctic—in four aboriginal languages. They made a mistake in not saying which ones in the report, but I propose to our committee that we actually get the report that we did on aboriginal languages translated into....

They picked the languages here by picking the languages of the witnesses. Any witnesses who were aboriginal or who spoke an aboriginal language, they picked those languages.

I might suggest that we minimally do that and maybe use the three languages most popularly used in Canada, which would be Inuktitut, Cree and Ojibwa. Mr. Reid, do you have any thoughts on that?

12:25 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

That sounds good. We're getting our report translated.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

I was chatting about the point of order, and as a result, I didn't hear what you had to say. If it's the same thing that you said to me earlier, that's a good thought.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

The only question I have procedurally is if it matters that it's already been tabled and adopted by the House.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

I will raise one concern, Mr. Chair.

This report, if I'm not mistaken, dealt with the north. Am I correct? The indigenous languages that were chosen are effectively the languages of—

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

—of the witnesses.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

That's right. The issue we have is in choosing which indigenous languages to use and which not to use. I have no idea how to resolve that.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

I just made a proposal on that while you were talking.

I said that, first of all, we use any of the aboriginal languages spoken by the witnesses before us, plus perhaps the three most prevalent ones in Canada: Inuktitut, Cree and Ojibwa. Some of them are covered by witnesses anyway.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

I have no objection to this. Does anybody else...?

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

I would like to hear Mr. Cullen's thoughts on this, if that's all right.

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

All those languages stop at the Rockies, which would be one thing.

I very much echo the sentiments of the witnesses about having their languages put down properly, but the committee arbitrarily picking three just by volume of speakers, I understand the logic but it does feel a bit arbitrary, especially with something as sensitive as how something is going to be expressed. As good a report as this is, I would maybe give the committee some time to contemplate and maybe even consult with indigenous language speakers as to how to go about it.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Would the committee be in agreement with translating it into the languages of the witnesses who were proposed to us on this study?

12:25 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We'll leave it up to you to find the money, Mr. Clerk.

12:25 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Chair, I know you're about to go to another notice of motion and engage in a debate. I'd just like the opportunity to formally submit a notice of motion, not to be debated today, but also to underscore that I'm just the vehicle for this. This is the work of a number of respected veteran parliamentarians who are looking for changes. Mr. Reid is among them. Hopefully we'll be able to give them an opportunity to have their thoughts aired. That's what this is about.

For now, it's just a technicality. It's in both languages and it won't come up again until the next meeting.

Thank you, Chair.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Thank you.

April 11th, 2019 / 12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

Mr. Chair, strictly speaking, points of order take priority, so I guess I'd be able to have priority over Ms. Kusie's motion, but that is not my objective.

My objective was to say this. We had agreed, in sort of a gentlemen's agreement—or a gentle people's agreement, to be politically correct—that we would deal with the point of order after we return. Given the amount of time we're going to have left, however, may I suggest that we all know what the point of order is about. The section has been mentioned, so I suggest that we leave it and return to it at our next meeting, which would be after the break. That would give people a chance to look over the procedural questions and we'll have a more informed debate. We won't all have to come back with five minutes remaining.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Sure. We'll do it at the next meeting where we have space.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

Yes, that's right.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Okay. Ms. Kusie, you want a vote on your motion, you basically said.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I raise a point of order on that, which is that we had a notice of motion for Ms. Kusie on a motion on that topic but not on that motion. I've never seen that motion before. Therefore, it would be procedurally invalid at this point, but it could be brought in as a notice.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Clerk, you can use the microphone.

12:30 p.m.

The Clerk

The committee's routine motion allows members to move motions when they're relevant to the subject being studied.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay, that's what I was going to say.

Pardon me. Continue, Clerk.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Can I have it in French?