Evidence of meeting #81 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was debates.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Lauzon
Paul Wells  Senior Writer, Maclean's, As an Individual
Vincent Raynauld  Assistant Professor, Emerson College; Affiliate Professor, Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières, As an Individual
Thierry Giasson  Full Professor, Département de science politique, Université Laval, As an Individual
Alex Marland  Professor, Department of Political Science, Memorial University of Newfoundland, As an Individual
Maxwell A. Cameron  Professor, Department of Political Science, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

1:15 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Do we use up all the time when we do rotation? I think we usually have time left over.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

We sometimes lose the three-minute rounds.

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Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North, ON

You lose 10, usually.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

David, is the five minutes you're proposing at the beginning or at the end of the second round? Where is it in the second round?

1:15 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Again, I'm not married to this. I just tried to find something that was fair, and the rules that we had under BOIE must have been fair because they were approved by everybody. I don't care.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Okay.

Mr. Simms.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Could I propose that it be top of the second round?

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Okay.

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Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

May I make a suggestion here?

Given the time, would it not seem unreasonable that we discuss this among ourselves? It sounds as if there's a broad willingness to go with something like this, but the details need to be hammered out where we can do it—

1:15 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I gave up my time for nothing.

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Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

I'm just suggesting that. I'm not trying to be...you'll be quiet for a second and we'll see if you get a resolution and then we won't have to do it. We'll come back on Thursday with an agreement.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Simms.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

We're not analyzing the Magna Carta here. I think it's pretty explicit as to what it wants to do. I think we've already had one discussion about it. We were asked to have a good think for ourselves and come back and talk about it once more. I agree. I like it. I think it should be at the top of the second round. If that requires an amendment or whatever it may be, I'm willing to do that. I don't know what the concern is.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

Why don't you make that amendment? Then we'll be discussing it? Does that make sense? Why don't you propose that amendment?

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Here's my thing, if I may, Chair.

I don't know if it requires an amendment. Does it? If this carries, then you can slip it in wherever you wish. The instruction is to give that person the five minutes within our time. I'm only suggesting putting it at the top of the second round. If there is to be an amendment, I'll gladly put one forward.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

David.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

To solve this problem, I suggest we shave one minute off each of the seven-minute rounds in the first round and give those minutes to the independent round. If they're present, we do this. If they're not, we don't. Between the first and second rounds, the problem is solved. It doesn't add any time to the meeting—it adds one minute—and we only give that minute each to them if they come.

1:15 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Except you're asking me to pay the biggest price.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

The Liberals lose two minutes—

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

No, no, but overall I have less time.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

—you each lose one, and we give five to them. There's one minute at the end.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

You said two minutes from the government?

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

You still get your second round, because we're taking time out of the first set.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

No, I'm just saying that one minute off seven means more to me than you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Reid.