Evidence of meeting #123 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was discussion.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Vice-Chair  Mr. John Barlow (Foothills, CPC)
Kerry Diotte  Edmonton Griesbach, CPC
James Van Raalte  Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development
Gordie Hogg  South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Stephanie Feldman

10:50 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

No? All right.

(Amendment negatived)

We will go on to NDP-4.1.

Go ahead, Ms. Hardcastle.

10:50 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

Well, this is pretty self-explanatory. We've seen repetitively here tonight that good opportunities for substantive language have been defeated. I would plead with this committee to look at this once again. We have an opportunity to replace some of the superficial language with substantive language, and here's an area where we can do that.

As a matter of fact, we have people here listening tonight who may be misled, even from the previous conversation, about CASDO. CASDO is only as strong as we allow it to be, and at this point, it is only going to be answerable to itself.

We have a great opportunity to begin looking at amendments coming forward as we turn the pages in the future, looking for ways that we can do something in a more substantive way. This is a repeat of a theme that we've already been seeing, but it's something I think that we really have to look seriously at. That's why the amendment is there.

10:50 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Thank you very much, Ms. Hardcastle.

The vote is on NDP-4.1.

10:50 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Can I have a recorded vote, please?

10:50 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

You may.

(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 3)

(Clause 18 as amended agreed to)

Look at the clock. We're going to go to 11 o'clock. If I can indulge my colleagues to get through clauses 19 and 20, which should be fairly quick, that should get us to 11 o'clock.

Is everybody okay with that?

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Mr. Chair, I know you need unanimous consent for this, but we are very into ensuring that this bill gets through, so we would move to extend past 11 p.m. if possible. However, I think we need unanimous consent to do that.

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

We do.

We have a motion on the floor to...we don't need it?

November 7th, 2018 / 10:55 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Stephanie Feldman

We don't. We just need a motion.

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

It's just a motion. All right.

We have a motion to continue till midnight. Is there any discussion?

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Yes, absolutely. Let's go.

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Okay.

All those in favour of continuing till midnight? Opposed?

(Motion agreed to)

10:55 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

Can you fall asleep here, though?

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Absolutely.

10:55 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

Can we have a motion to that effect?

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Yes.

10:55 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

Does it have to be in policy or not?

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Should we have asked the staff?

10:55 p.m.

Voices

Yes.

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

They're okay with staying?

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

They're in with us.

Okay, we're moving on to CPC-19.

Is there any discussion on CPC-19?

10:55 p.m.

Edmonton Griesbach, CPC

Kerry Diotte

Yes, Mr. Chair.

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Go ahead, Mr. Diotte.

10:55 p.m.

Edmonton Griesbach, CPC

Kerry Diotte

The motion reads:

That Bill C-81, in Clause 19, be amended by deleting lines 15 to 17 on page 8.

Basically it's removing power for the Canadian Accessibility Standards Development Organization to charge fees.

I think charging fees is wrong. It's the wrong way to try to generate revenue. Any accessibility standard that CASDO develops should always be made available to the public for free. I don't think charging a fee is in anybody's best interest. This fee will actually be a barrier for people with disabilities who want to get a copy and spread the word to other people with disabilities.

10:55 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Just before I get to Mr. Ruimy, I have a couple of quick housekeeping notes for our audience and viewers. The sign language interpreters will not be able to stay until midnight. Just so those of you who are in the audience are aware, the sign language option will cease before midnight.

10:55 p.m.

The Clerk

We'll do it after the meeting in post-production.