Evidence of meeting #70 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was hospice.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marika Albert  Executive Director, Community Social Planning Council of Greater Victoria
Thomas Davidoff  Associate Professor, Sauder School of Business, University of British Columbia, As an Individual
Glenn Miller  Senior Associate, Canadian Urban Institute
Ian Lee  Associate Professor, Sprott School of Business, Carleton University, As an Individual
Susan Westhaver  Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Do I have any time left, Mr. Chair?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

You have almost two minutes.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

One of the roles of this study is to find out how the federal government can participate. What do we need to do to assist in taking care of our aging population? At this time, hospice care is taking care of people in the last days and weeks of their lives.

Last week, maybe two days ago, there was a suggestion that the federal government could provide the standards for a pan-Canadian approach, which would say this is how we recommend a senior, in their last days, would at least get this level of care, and that every senior who needs palliative care would have access to it. Right now, 70% do not. The suggestion was that the federal government could provide the standards and the funding for the training to make sure that volunteers do not have to pay to get the training or that it could even be rebated as a tax-deductible receipt.

Is there any comment on that?

4:10 p.m.

Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

Susan Westhaver

Sure, anything that would help would be good. Any carrot to dangle would be a good thing to encourage people.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

What percentage is funded by the provincial or federal government for hospice care right now?

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Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

Susan Westhaver

I don't know.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

My understanding is that it's approximately 10%. Is that close?

4:10 p.m.

Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

Susan Westhaver

Yes, you're right: 10%.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Then 90% is being provided by donations and fundraising.

4:10 p.m.

Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

Susan Westhaver

It is thrift stores and the gaming society.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

To take care of our seniors, we need to refocus how we're providing health care. Is that fair?

4:10 p.m.

Client Volunteer, Langley Hospice Society

Susan Westhaver

Yes, but if a senior is terminally ill, I could encourage more focus on more services to help get them palliative care and a place in hospice, if that's where they need to be.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Thank you.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Is there any time for Mr. Lee to respond to that?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I'm afraid not. Maybe he could do that in the next question.

Mr. Ruimy, you have six minutes.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

I'll be sharing my time with MP Vaughan.

Marika, in your publication on co-housing, could you just give me a quick answer as to where the funding comes from? Is it federal, provincial, or municipal?

4:10 p.m.

Executive Director, Community Social Planning Council of Greater Victoria

Marika Albert

We have an example of a co-housing complex here called Harbourside; it's in Sooke, about 45 minutes outside of the city of Victoria. It was privately financed. Seniors pooled their money, essentially, and paid for the development itself, which is the same model that happened in Saskatoon.

In the U.S., there's a mixture of financing. A lot of faith-based communities have supported co-housing, and so those churches then contribute financing.

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Thank you.

Just to clarify, would her report have been submitted to the clerk? She provided a link to it, but I want to make sure that it's part of the testimony.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

We can look into that.

We didn't get a brief, but we can include something.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

That would be great. Thank you.

I'm going to pass to MP Vaughan.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

Marika, the co-housing model you talk about is effectively housing adults who are not related in a single living environment, which in many parts of the country is called a rooming house or supportive housing. I'm curious as to your thoughts on whether or not local zoning allows for rooming houses universally across the country and whether that's an impediment to co-housing.

4:10 p.m.

Executive Director, Community Social Planning Council of Greater Victoria

Marika Albert

It can be.

Municipalities can implement policies. For instance, they can do something called “pocket neighbourhoods”. They can zone to do gentle densification in certain neighbourhoods so that you can build more multi-unit dwellings there. Then you create more of a neighbourhood style: you have housing facing inwards, and you can create a courtyard area. You can do that already in pre-existing neighbourhoods.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

Does the zoning permit that?

4:10 p.m.

Executive Director, Community Social Planning Council of Greater Victoria

Marika Albert

Not everywhere, but they can do it. Here in British Columbia, it's an option for municipalities, but not all of them have implemented it yet.

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

If we made it a requirement for federal funding to the provinces that they embrace group homes or co-living environments as a condition of receiving dollars, would that facilitate the growth of the sector you're advocating for?