Evidence of meeting #41 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was citizen.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Johan Teichroeb  Member, Private Citizen Leamington (Ontario), Mennonite Central Committee Canada
Don Chapman  Lost Canadian Organization
Gail E. Forrest  Lost Children of Canada
Bill Janzen  Director, Ottawa Office, Mennonite Central Committee Canada
Marion Vermeersch  Lost Canadians (Child of war bride), As an Individual
June Francis  MOSAIC
Erl Kish  Dominion Vice-President, Royal Canadian Legion
Pierre Allard  Director, Service Bureau, Dominion Command, Royal Canadian Legion

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Good morning, everyone. Our meeting will come to order.

I want to welcome you to our committee meeting, as we continue our meetings on the study of the loss of Canadian citizenship,1947, 1977, and 2007.

Today we want to welcome two panels to our committee. The first panel will present between 11 a.m. and 12:10. Our second panel will be heard from 12:10 until 1:20, after which we will go to committee business from 1:20 until 1:30.

Since we have so many witnesses, and I'm sure committee members want to interact with the witnesses we have here today, I would ask you not to feel restricted but to be as brief as you can in your opening statements. Each panel has about one hour and ten minutes. As I said, committee members will, I'm sure, want to ask questions.

I want to welcome today our first panel: Ms. Marlene Jennings, member of Parliament, House of Commons; Don Chapman, Lost Canadians Organization; Gail Forrest, Lost Children of Canada; and representing the Mennonite Central Committee of Canada, Mr. Johan Teichroeb. It's good to have you here.

I will pass it back to you, however you wish to proceed with your opening comments. Ms. Jennings has indicated that she might have to leave a little bit early because of a previous commitment in the House, so I will go immediately to her.

Ms. Jennings.

11 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Thank you, Chair.

I would like to thank each and every member of this committee for having allowed me to come and appear before you and explain a little bit about my personal experience with the first Citizenship Act that Canada enacted after the Second World War.

I was born in Canada, and I have lived here ever since my birth on November 10, 1951. My father was a U.S. citizen. He came to Canada during the Second World War to work on the trains. My mother was a Canadian citizen, born in Canada, in Manitoba.

A few years ago, a private member's bill dealing with the “lost” Canadians issue was tabled. At the time, the Liberal Party of Canada formed the government. Although our policy was for members to have a free vote on private members' bills, it was recommended to us in caucus to vote against the bill. I had a brief discussion with Mr. Chapman back then. At any rate, I voted against the bill.

Subsequently, my citizenship came into question. Some people thought I was born in the United States to Canadian parents. I immediately corrected that impression. That gave me an opportunity to think about my citizenship. It bothered me so much that I began to do my own research. That's how I found out that Mr. Chapman and a number of other people who had lost their citizenship through no initiative or decision of their own were right when they said that the law was obsolete and paternalistic, and that it should be changed, and that those who had lost their citizenship unintentionally should have it restored retroactively.

Six weeks ago, I participated in a Webcast radio interview. My citizenship was once again questioned. It appeared that certain provisions of the act required a Canadian citizen born in Canada but of foreign parents to make a formal declaration on their permanent place of residence. Since I hadn't done that, I immediately called the 1-800 or 1-888 number.

When I asked about that, I was simply asked whether I was born in Canada, and I answered yes. Then I was asked whether I had always lived in Canada, and I answered yes. The woman then told me I was a Canadian citizen. However, she quickly changed her mind and asked me whether I had ever obtained the citizenship of another country, and I said yes. She then asked me under what circumstances that had occurred, and I told her that it was in connection with my marriage in 1974 to an Italian citizen who was a permanent resident of Canada at the time. She then told me that she didn't know whether I had lost my citizenship at that time and that she would have to check with the experts.

Unfortunately, this was a phone call during business hours. You all know what kind of work we have to do as members of Parliament. So I couldn't stay on hold. I had to call back. The same thing happened. Finally, I was asked to reveal my identity because they didn't know who I was. Then I was told that my file was quite complicated.

The person on the other end of the line asked me if it was okay with me for them to send an e-mail with all the information to the Nova Scotia office so that real experts could study the case. Subsequently, I received a telephone call from the Registrar of Citizenship. He asked me several questions. He said he thought I was a Canadian citizen, but that since the act was very complicated, he would have to check everything to do with my obtaining Italian citizenship through my marriage in order to verify whether or not I lost my Canadian citizenship at that time.

Secondly, if you didn't lose your citizenship then, whether you lost your citizenship when you applied for an Italian passport--and please get me the exact date of that. At that point there were serious doubts as to whether or not I was a citizen. When you have the registrar of citizenship saying, “I think you're a citizen, but I have to go back and study the law”--he's the expert--that shows you how complicated this law was and is.

At that point, I realized that if I were told I was not a citizen, then I was no longer a member of Parliament, because a precondition to be qualified or admissible as a candidate for election to Parliament is that you are a Canadian citizen. I immediately made an appointment with the Clerk of the House in order to sit down and say that I was questioning the propriety of my continuing to sit in the House, to take part in debates, and to be in committee. I had an appointment to see her on the afternoon of February 22. That same day I received a call from the registrar informing me that subsequent to all of his research, I was a Canadian citizen and had always been a Canadian citizen. I asked him to provide me with it in writing, because after the experience that I had lived, and only over a short period of time, I didn't want anyone in the future to put my citizenship in doubt. I'd be more than happy to provide a copy of this to the members of the committee.

The reason I asked to be here, which I did before I was confirmed as a Canadian citizen, was to share my experience with you. As a result of my going public about the doubts as to my own citizenship, I've received calls and e-mails from many Canadians across the country saying that their situation is similar and they are now having doubts as to their citizenship. They're afraid to call the hotline in case they are told they are not a citizen. I felt it was important for me to go forward. I have siblings who are in the process of doing their verification with Citizenship Canada as to whether or not they are still Canadian citizens. They were all born in Canada but some of them have lived in the United States for a number of years.

I will end with one last point. Mr. Chapman and I have had many discussions over the last weeks and months. He is suggesting a series of amendments to the legislation that would provide citizenship retroactively to every Canadian who lost their citizenship through no act of their own. I've had an opportunity to review it, and I support it wholeheartedly and I hope the committee will as well.

Thank you.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Ms. Jennings.

We'll go to Mr. Teichroeb.

11:10 a.m.

Johan Teichroeb Member, Private Citizen Leamington (Ontario), Mennonite Central Committee Canada

Thank you, Chairman.

It's nice to have the privilege to come and tell my story.

I was born in Mexico in February of 1980. My parents moved to Manitoba when I was six months old. They applied for citizenship for me, and I received it on November 6, 1980. I grew up in Canada. I went to school here. I joined the workforce when I was 16 years old, and became a truck driver. It was always my dream to become a truck driver.

Then I heard that I was in the category to renew my citizenship before I was 28, so I did that. I sent in the application late in 2002. One year later, I received a letter stating that I had never been a Canadian and I could not retain my citizenship because my grandfather was born out of wedlock.

That was shocking for me. I've always been in Canada. For over 20 years I've been here. I got married here. I have two Canadian-born kids here....

Excuse me.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Take your time.

11:10 a.m.

Member, Private Citizen Leamington (Ontario), Mennonite Central Committee Canada

Johan Teichroeb

It was just hard to believe. They were telling me I wasn't a Canadian.

I decided to go to a law firm in Windsor to see if they could help me with anything. I paid good money and everything else. He translated all the marriage certificates from Spanish to, of course, Canadian, and then I never heard back from him. Meanwhile I lost my job. I couldn't cross the border, and the company couldn't supply me with Canadian runs, so I was out of a job.

That's when I found Mr. Bill Janzen, from the Mennonite Central Committee. He of course wanted to help me with it, and we've been working on it since.

The only thing is that because of everything, I lost a lot, all due to the fact that there was a marriage certificate made 75 years ago stating that my grandfather was born out of wedlock. He was not technically born....

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

We're not in any great rush. Take your time, and proceed when you feel comfortable.

11:15 a.m.

Member, Private Citizen Leamington (Ontario), Mennonite Central Committee Canada

Johan Teichroeb

Because of all this, I lost everything, including the house. I was down to renting a house. Money-wise, I was borrowing money to buy groceries for the kids. I couldn't see how this could keep going. My wife was depressed about it, and started taking antidepressants. There was no news of getting anything back.

So I went from job to job, trying to support the family, trying to keep everything I had. My father owned a construction company, and he offered me a job. He had an opening, so I started working for him. A year later, I'm still here, trying to pay off what I borrowed four years ago.

What I have to say is that this should never have happened. I was in Canada, and for something like a marriage certificate.... I mean, they had a marriage in church, not a civil marriage. That was what was keeping me from my citizenship. I couldn't see that.

The law said that because I was born after February 1977, I had to retain my citizenship before I was 28. But the thing is that if I had been born three years earlier, I would have never had a problem. Everything would have been fine. If I had never sent my application in, would you have found the problem back then?

Another thing is that it's been four years they worked with it. But then, all of a sudden, when we started publishing this in the paper, I had it--in a matter of four weeks. I received it on February 28, 2007. I'm grateful for it, but everything that has happened has cost me dearly. Four weeks ago, Mr. Bill Janzen gave you the rest of the story in his submission.

I would just be grateful if nobody else had to go through what I did.

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

It's an unbelievable story, and I can see why you're emotional about it. Thank you very much.

Mr. Chapman.

11:15 a.m.

Don Chapman Lost Canadian Organization

Mr. Doyle, I'll speak after these two, but I do want to make a comment. I feel kind of like the movie Erin Brockovich. I've been all over the world and have looked at the eyes of the victims of this law.

I mentioned the last time I was here about being an airline pilot. The only thing I can think of is if I had a fire on my airplane, kind of like Swissair did, going into Halifax, this is not a time to take years to discuss a solution. We know we have a problem; we need to come up with the solution right now.

Unfortunately, Mr. Teichroeb's situation is not that unfamiliar. I've been going at this for over 30 years.

I would now like to turn to people who have defended this country, their families, my father--but not like Gail sitting next to me. I want you to hear her story and how much her family has done to defend the rights of Canadians today. It's time for this committee and Parliament to now defend her rights of Canadian citizenship.

Gail.

11:15 a.m.

Gail E. Forrest Lost Children of Canada

Good morning, Mr. Chair and honourable members. Thank you for inviting me here today. It is a great honour to speak to you and share my story about my struggles in trying to get my Canadian citizenship back.

Before I begin my story, I must say that my story is not as compelling and critical as the stateless Canadians like Mrs. Barbara Porteous and the 450 or more people caught in that terrible dilemma. My story is also not as critical as Joe Taylor's situation. I, like the others, take my citizenship very seriously, and it is extremely important to me.

I have listened to Don Chapman, Sheila Walshe, and Joe Taylor speak before your committee over the past months. I am here today because I was born in Canada and my mother was a World War II war bride, but I lost my Canadian citizenship. Also, I was given a Canadian passport in 2005, which I've brought for you to see today. When we thought Bill S-2 passed, I answered every question on the passport form honestly and was given assistance with the forms by a member of Parliament's secretary, who also coincidentally fell under the lost Canadian category.

In 1948 I was born in Grace Hospital in Vancouver, Canada, to parents who both believed they were Canadian citizens. I am the daughter of a Royal Canadian Air Force hero from World War II who brought his bride from England to live in his beloved country, Canada. My mother came to join my father in Canada from England on the Georgic ship on July 15, 1946. My father was returned to Canada the previous year, 1945, after serving in the RCAF. Both my mother and grandmother were world war brides, my grandmother from World War I and my mother from World War II.

After the war, my father returned to university and graduated in 1948 from the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, and he became an accountant, like his father before him. My grandfather was an accountant for the Canadian railway. After my father graduated from UBC and became an accountant in Canada, my father had to travel a lot doing audits for various companies. He remained an accountant throughout his life, was once a partner with Price Waterhouse, and eventually owned his own firm.

In 1951 my parents left Canada to go to the United States for employment reasons, not because they didn't want to remain in Canada. We left all our family in Canada when we moved to the States, as we had no family at that time in the United States. I have a large family in Canada, consisting of 11 first cousins and numerous aunts and uncles, although sadly several have passed away.

My family in Canada goes back to my great-grandfather, who brought his family to Canada from Scotland and built homes in the Vancouver area. My aunts, uncles, and cousins were born in Canada, but who knows who is Canadian in our family, after all I heard recently from the hearings on Canadian citizenship? Now I wonder whether my father, let alone my mother, was a Canadian citizen. Because my parents took me to another country, I automatically, as a child, lost my Canadian citizenship due to Canada's citizenship law at the time.

I am very proud of my Canadian roots. I have a Canadian flag that I fly outside my home. I have loved visiting my large family in Canada over the years.

About 35 years ago I tried to get information about how to get my Canadian citizen certificate, while I still believed I was Canadian. When I discovered I was not a Canadian citizen, again I worked very hard for years trying to get back my Canadian citizenship. Fortunately, two or three years ago I wrote about my situation on a Canadian citizenship chat board. Mr. Don Chapman heard about me and contacted me. I was thrilled to hear from Don, as I had someone I could share my story with about the loss of my Canadian citizenship. Before that, I felt I was alone in my struggles, fighting the Canadian bureaucracy.

When I say “fighting the bureaucracy”, I mean that each time I contacted the Canadian citizenship offices in Canada or an embassy or a consulate in the U.S., I was told many different stories about my status.

Your citizenship offices did not know or understand my status. Some of the offices told me that if you were born in Canada you were a Canadian citizen, period. Family, friends, and strangers I meet can't believe that I and so many others do not have Canadian citizenship when I tell them my story. For many, many years I believed I was Canadian, only to discover that I was stripped of my Canadian citizenship against my will and against my knowledge.

In researching to prepare for this meeting today, I found letters, photographs, and memorabilia that my parents saved over their 50-year marriage. I discovered a lot of information about my family. In coming here today, I had to decide just how much documentation and photographs I would bring to the committee.

My parents wrote to one another every day from the day they met in England, and even years later if they were apart, while my father was working or my mother took me back to Canada to visit family. I have hundreds of letters they wrote to one another. The letters, photographs, and memorabilia tell quite the history during and after the war.

Although my appearance today is about me and my loss of Canadian citizenship, it begins with my parents and their marriage in London in 1942, which lasted 50 years, until my mother sadly passed away in 1992. My father passed away in 1999. My father died before he could see me become a Canadian citizen again. My parents are missed very much by their family.

I am telling you the information about my parents because I believe it is wrong that my father fought for this country and made an enormous contribution to the safety and well-being of all who have come after--war heroes like my father. My mother was a World War II war bride. I was born in Canada, and yet I have had such difficulty obtaining my Canadian citizenship. I am sure my father would be disappointed with the Canadian government for the way they are treating his daughter after what he did for Canada. My father served proudly for this country.

As I stated, I am the daughter of a World War II Canadian war hero who served in the Royal Canadian Air Force as a pilot and then as a navigator specializing in radar. I brought with me today photographs of my father personally receiving the DFC from King George VI. He received the DFC twice, once in 1944 and again in 1945. I also brought many of the newspaper clippings that were published in Canada and England about my father's distinguished flying career. My father received other decorations for his service to the RCAF.

I could have filled a suitcase with many of the original items saved about my father over the years he served in the RCAF, but I thought the committee did not have the time or interest in seeing them all and I did not want to risk losing them. I did not bring the numerous letters sent from the Canadian and British governments for his heroism during World War II. I did bring my original, small Canadian birth certificate, a copy of my original birth certificate from 1948, and my Canadian passport, which was issued to me while I was in Canada for Canada Day in 2005. I received my passport when Bill S-2 was introduced by MP John Reynolds and received royal assent. I thought I was finally a Canadian citizen again. The passport office also believed I was a Canadian citizen, and that is why I was issued a Canadian passport. This is just another example of how one department does not know what the other department is doing.

I also brought copies of my mother's and father's U.S. certificate of naturalization documents, issued in May of 1957, and a copy of my U.S. certificate of citizenship that I received in 1973. I must say that I was very reluctant to get the U.S. certificate of citizenship in 1973, when I was 25 years old, as I wanted to believe that I was still a Canadian citizen.

Growing up, my parents always told me that when I turned 21, I could choose either Canadian or U.S. citizenship, which was their understanding of the law at that time. I felt strongly that I did not want to give up my Canadian citizenship.

Today I've brought my parents' original expired Canadian passports--my mother's, issued in 1946, and my father's original Canadian passport, which was issued in 1951. Of note is the national status shown in my parents' Canadian passports. My father's states: “Canadian citizen under Section 9-1-b of the Canadian Citizenship Act”. And my mother's states: “British subject by birth. Wife of a British subject.”

I also brought a copy of a letter written by my mother to my father in January of 1951 while my father was away working as an accountant in Alberta.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I'm just wondering how much more you might have, because we're into about 11 minutes. I think our committee members might have some comments, but I am reluctant to interrupt. I know it's important to you that you get every single word in, but what about if we went for another minute and a half or two minutes, which will bring you to about 12 or 13 minutes?

As I said, I'm reluctant to interrupt you, so maybe if you can go for a couple more minutes, we can start on Mr. Chapman then.

11:30 a.m.

Lost Children of Canada

Gail E. Forrest

Okay.

If you think I have gone through all of this over the last 35 years to take advantage of any government services in Canada, you are very wrong. I have skills I could contribute to the economy if I choose to return to Canada after you grant me my citizenship. Presently I am a notary public in the State of California, working exclusively in the real estate and mortgage field. Previously, I owned my own business for 13 years, specializing in assistive computer technology for people with disabilities.

Before I finish my presentation and leave Parliament today, I would like the name of the person I can send my citizenship application and all my documentation to, to start the process to get back my Canadian citizenship. I don't want to send papers in, originals and copies, as well as the payment only to wait 18 months or two years to either receive my citizenship or be told yet again that I don't qualify.

I have listened to and read statements from the Honourable Diane Finlay. I understand that it is still taking people in our group 18 months to two years.

I'll just wrap it up.

I want to thank Mr. Don Chapman, Mr. Andrew Telegdi, and all the others who are working so hard, for their valiant efforts to correct this terrible injustice.

I also want to tell you that the 888-242-2100 call centre hotline for Citizenship and Immigration Canada that was given to help answer questions cannot be reached outside of Canada.

Thank you again for the opportunity to speak with you today. I could have given you many more details about the frustrations in contacting the different departments in Canada, as well as embassies and consulates.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you.

We always have time constraints, especially when you have so many people presenting. But thank you. That was very interesting.

Mr. Chapman, please.

March 19th, 2007 / 11:30 a.m.

Lost Canadian Organization

Don Chapman

Thank you.

I'll start with a Jimmy Stewart quote. I always liked the show Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, in which he says, “You're not going to have a country that can make these kinds of rules work if you haven't learned to tell human rights from a punch in the nose”.

Ms. Jennings made a comment. She said the laws are so very complicated that even the head people can't figure them out. Fortunately, the solution is really simple. It really is something that anybody could do, so we should be able to wrap this up really quickly behind the scenes.

Mr. Teichroeb made a comment about his children. We are going to have somebody testifying from a Canadian NGO for the United Nations, and she's saying one of the factors that people haven't really considered here is what it does to the children, and it's Canada's right to protect the children. Am I right? Look at your children. We've had people uprooted. The children of Magali Castro-Gyr, who was here the other day, had to get up and leave the country. It's a complete violation of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which Canada sponsored in the United Nations.

Another thing I found interesting is this. If we take the last couple of weeks, when we all had some time off, I too decided to contact the call centre, but I couldn't do it from my home in Phoenix, Arizona, so I had to get patched through, and finally I made it. I called to ask some very specific questions about my citizenship and my sister's citizenship. Now, here are families and family reunification in Canada; we're all supposed to have the right to bring our families. Well, my sister and my brother are Canadians, and I'm not--same family, same parents. How do we do this?

They gave me all the wrong answers. I happen to know the right answers. The gentleman I was talking to absolutely said my sister is not Canadian and there's no use even applying for her. What he didn't realize is that my sister is Canadian but Canada denied her citizenship for 43 years. Here he's telling me, “Don't even bother applying”, and she's Canadian. The information is completely false.

I also found another thing that happened in the last two weeks interesting, and that's the child who was born in Canada to Iranian parents. He was taken down to the States, and the family was in a detention centre. Finally, the government here in Canada said, we have to bring that child, who was born in Canada, back to Canada--it's a Canadian child--and we have to bring the parents with him; that's only fair.

Think about this from my eyes--and I'm making no judgment as to whether Canada did anything wrong here. My comment is in relation to the lost Canadians.

I won in Bill S-2. I have the right to get my citizenship, although it could take a couple of years for me to get it. But I cannot bring my children. So now we have the situation of the Iranian child in reverse. How can Canada make the argument that we have to bring those parents because that's human rights and that's fair? Okay, I buy that argument, but if we're going to use that argument, we have to use it with me. Do I leave my minor-age child behind, and my mother? I think Canada is better than that.

In the last few weeks we also had the Hislop decision, a unanimous Supreme Court decision, again citing the Benner case, which was a unanimous Supreme Court decision on the 1947 Citizenship Act, saying that there was blatant discrimination involved in this. So we know it's there.

Finally, let me wrap up. Last September, I think it was, Canada gave citizenship to a gentleman and said we are giving you honorary citizenship because of all the wonderful things that you do, and your fairness and your compassion and your human rights. It was the Dalai Lama. And this last week there was an article in The Globe and Mail that said the dream shall never die. For all of us on this committee, for all people who have been stripped of their Canadian citizenship, the dream of being Canadian in this wonderful country will never die--just like the Dalai Lama.

I'm going to read it twice. He's saying:

I also express my deep admiration to the Tibetans...who, against all odds, have made efforts to preserve the Tibetan identity.... I am confident that they will continue to strive for our common cause with renewed dedication and commitment. I urge all Tibetans in and outside Tibet to work unitedly for a secure future based on equality....

That's how one of your newest citizens, the Dalai Lama, said it, and with great admiration from all the Canadian people.

Now I'm going to give it a Canadian twist for the committee: I express my deep admiration to the Canadians who, against all odds, have made efforts to preserve Canadian identity. I am confident that they will continue to strive for our common cause with renewed dedication and commitment. I urge all Canadians, in and outside Canada, to work in unity for a secure future based on equality.

I think that says it best. It's time for the committee to do its work. Let's fix this law.

Thank you.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Mr. Chapman.

I want to thank all of you. You've made some very compelling arguments to have this fixed.

We will now go to our committee members. I will go first of all to Mr. Karygiannis.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Thank you.

Certainly I can understand your frustration and your bewilderment. I spent at least three days calling the minister's office as well as the 1-800 number trying to get answers on my daughter. The letter we got from the minister said that some children born to Canadians outside of Canada after 1977 could lose their citizenship. I do have a 24-year-old who was born outside this country, and certainly that panicked me.

I have a question for Mrs. Jennings and then I'm going to focus on Mr. Chapman.

Mrs. Jennings, I'm reading your letter and I want to ask you just a couple of questions.

You were married to a citizen of Italy in 1974 and you acquired citizenship in Italy in 1977.

11:35 a.m.

Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.

Marlene Jennings

No, I acquired citizenship in Italy on the day of my marriage to my husband on June 18, 1974. Under the Italian citizenship act at the time, any foreign citizen who married an Italian citizen automatically gained citizenship. So according to the Italian law, my citizenship in Italy dates from the date of my marriage.

On January 17, 1977, I applied for an Italian passport.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

And you got one.

11:35 a.m.

Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Have you checked to see if Italy allows dual citizenship?

11:40 a.m.

Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Was it four years ago that it didn't?

11:40 a.m.

Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.

Marlene Jennings

No. My husband lost his Italian citizenship in the 1980s when he became a Canadian citizen. At that time, Italian law did not allow for dual citizenship--someone taking out automatic citizenship.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

How did that affect you?