Evidence of meeting #7 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was iraqi.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Micheline Aucoin  Director General, Refugees Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Bruce Scoffield  Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Françoise Ducros  Director General, Europe, Middle East and Maghreb Branch, Canadian International Development Agency
Catherine Godin  Director, Humanitarian Affairs and Disaster Response Group, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Alex Neve  Secretary General, Amnesty International Canada
Elizabeth McWeeny  President, Canadian Council for Refugees
Glynis Williams  Member, Canadian Council for Refugees
Martin Collacott  Senior Fellow, Fraser Institute
James Bissett  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Chaplin

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Good afternoon, everyone.

This meeting will come to order as we continue our study on Iraqi refugees. As you can see, it's a very full agenda.

For the first hour we're welcoming the Department of Citizenship and Immigration. We have Micheline Aucoin, director general, refugees branch, who was here last week; Bruce Scoffield, director, operational coordination, international region. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, we have Catherine Godin, director, humanitarian affairs and disaster response group. From the Canadian International Development Agency, we have Françoise Ducros, director general, Europe, Middle East, and Maghreb branch.

Welcome to all of you. I think Ms. Aucoin is going to have the opening statement on behalf of the group.

I would invite you, Ms. Aucoin, to begin with your opening statement, please.

3:30 p.m.

Micheline Aucoin Director General, Refugees Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I also thank the committee for its interest in this very important issue.

As you have said, my name is Micheline Aucoin and I am the Director General of the Refugees Branch at Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC).

I am joined by Bruce Scoffield, Director of Operational Coordination in the International Region of CIC; Catherine Godin, Director of the Humanitarian Affairs and Disaster Response Group, from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT); and Françoise Ducros, Director General, Europe, Middle East and Maghreb, from the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA).

Together we will be happy to take your questions at the end of the presentation.

The Government of Canada continually monitors refugee conditions around the world, including the latest developments in Iraq, in consultation with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

Canada appreciates the gravity of the situation in Iraq and is very concerned for the estimated 2 million Iraqis who have left Iraq for neighbouring countries, as well as the 2.4 million others displaced within the country.

CIC's field staff, who are in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, have regular contact on the ground with refugees, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) and officials from other resettlement countries. They have witnesses the evolution of the refugee situation first-hand, and have been reporting their findings back to CIC national headquarters on a regular basis.

Earlier in the conflict, the UNHCR and the international community expected the displacement to be temporary, and that Iraqis could return home, in the foreseeable future, from neighbouring countries providing protection.

As time went by, the protection environment in the countries of first asylum deteriorated and by late 2006 the UNHCR began identifying the most vulnerable in the population and those in need of resettlement to a third country.

Discussions between CIC and UNHCR officials, both in the region and in Geneva, have been ongoing on the role that resettlement could play in this declining protection environment.

In addition, senior CIC officials travelled to Syria, Jordan and Turkey earlier this year to discuss with the UNHCR and NGOs how Canada's resettlement program could best support the UNHCR's resettlement strategy.

We have been working within our legislative, policy and budgetary frameworks to assist Iraqis displaced by the situation, and to help them resettle in Canada as refugees or, when appropriate, to enter under other immigrant categories.

Given the severity of the situation, and in an effort to speed up the process, Canada agreed to accept simplified UNHCR referral procedures for the majority of Iraqi refugees. Canadian visa officers overseas continue to assess all refugees referred on a case-by-case basis, to ensure the applicant meets all legislative and security requirements, and to be sure that the settlement to Canada is, indeed, the best and most logical choice for the individual and his or her family.

In addition, members of this committee will have heard the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration recently announce measures to assist families affected by the humanitarian crisis in Iraq. She has instructed CIC to give priority immigration services to Iraqis and those from Iraq in surrounding countries who have close family members in Canada.

Our visa office in Damascus is giving priority to applications for permanent residence under the family class. This measure already applies to spouses and common-law and conjugal partners, as well as dependent children, and has now been extended to parents, grandparents, and other orphaned family members from Iraq sponsored by Canadian citizens and permanent residents.

In addition, our case processing centre in Mississauga will examine the eligibility of Canadian citizens and permanent residents on a priority basis to sponsor Iraqis affected by the war.

Mr. Chair, our efforts in Iraq are not new. Canada has an active resettlement program for Iraqi refugees who have sought asylum in neighbouring countries. Through our refugee resettlement program, Canada resettled almost 3,000 Iraqis between 2002 and 2006.

In 2007, CIC's resettlement target in the Middle East was 2,140, including 1,150 government-assisted refugees, GARs, and 990 privately sponsored refugees, PSRs.

In response to an appeal to assist those countries currently hosting Iraqi refugees, Canada announced last April that it would accept up to 500 additional Iraqi refugee referrals this year from the UNHCR.

We expect more than 2,000 Iraqis will have arrived in Canada by the end of this year. This number includes Iraqis who have applied as family class, refugees, and skilled workers.

In response to the situation unfolding in Iraq, we are significantly increasing our 2008 resettlement target for the Middle East to 3,350 people, of whom 2,080 are GARs and 1,270 are PSRs. We will be allocating almost 30% of our total resettlement places available to Iraqi and other refugees displaced by the war.

Given the magnitude of the displacement and its impact on neighbouring countries, it is important that the international community participate in resettlement efforts. CIC will continue to work with the international community to find long-term solutions for refugees.

At the same time, it should be noted that Canada operates a global resettlement program that in 2006 alone resettled refugees from more than 70 nationalities. And with a total of 100,000 resettlement spots available throughout the world, resettlement can be a solution for only a small fraction of the refugees. We welcome this committee's thoughts on additional steps Canada might take to find solutions to this and other refugee situations.

Of course, resettlement is not the only way Canada can provide assistance to Iraqi refugees. CIDA is active in the region, providing reconstruction and humanitarian assistance and responding to appeals by organizations such as the UNHCR.

We will continue to monitor this situation closely and we will explore more options to further meet UNHCR resettlement needs with respect to Iraqis in 2008 and beyond.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are happy to take your questions now.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you very much for your presentation. I'm sure our committee members have some questions and discussion they want to get into.

We'll go with our first seven-minute round to Mr. Karygiannis, and then to Madame Faille.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Thank you very much for coming to enlighten us and give us some background on what's happening.

I have one question. There was a backlog in Damascus. Did you put in extra staff and efforts to clear that backlog in the last 365 days, and if so, how many people?

December 11th, 2007 / 3:40 p.m.

Bruce Scoffield Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Mr. Chair, I can tell you additional staff are currently in Damascus, working to help us deal with the number of cases that have been received there.

I don't have with me today the total number of what we call temporary duty officers who have been in Damascus in the past year, but we could get that information and provide it to the committee.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Thank you.

Have you considerably reduced the processing times in Damascus in family class and parental class in the last year, and if so, by what percentage?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

The processing time for family class cases in Damascus at the moment is such that 80% of them are finalized within 10 months. I don't have a 2006 figure to compare with the 2007 figure. Again, it's something we could provide.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

So if I were to say you have shortened your processing time by about 20% in Damascus, would you disagree with me?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

I certainly would confirm we are trying to reduce our processing times.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

In other words, you cleared the decks in the last couple of months, anticipating that we were going to deal with Iraqi refugees.

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

I would say we are trying to reduce inventories, especially of family class. We are trying to process spouses and children within the six-month timeframe that the government—

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Scoffield, I'm going to ask this again. You cleared the decks; you got extra staff in there anticipating that the Iraqi refugees would have to be dealt with. Yes or no?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

Mr. Karygiannis, you're characterizing the situation in a way I have no knowledge of.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Okay.

When a UNHCR case is presented, after somebody applies for UNHCR status and receives a group-of-five sponsorship from Canada, and it is cleared in Mississauga and is sitting at the post in Damascus, what is the length of time before that individual is to be seen?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

For a privately sponsored refugee from a group of five, or from a sponsorship agreement holder, 80% of the cases are finalized in Damascus within 17 months.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

What is the United States doing better than us that they can clear the cases within a month?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

I'm not able to comment on how the U.S. processes its immigration applications.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

If UNHCR deemed somebody to be a refugee and that individual has family in Canada and there's a group of five sponsorship, do you still look at occupation, education, or the points system?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

Not points. We don't use a points system in assessing any refugee, whether they are referred by the UNHCR or are sponsored. What we look at is whether or not that person has a well-founded fear of persecution, and whether or not they meet the other requirements for being resettled as a refugee, including if resettlement is the appropriate option, if they don't have the possibility of local integration or voluntary repatriation.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

So a woman who has been raped in Iraq and has a group-of-five sponsorship, has family in Canada, and has gone once and was refused and has reapplied with more material...would she likely be a good case to make it to Canada?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

I couldn't speculate on--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

And who is also a UNHCR convention refugee?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

I can certainly tell the committee, Mr. Chair, that in May this year we issued instructions to all visa officers to take into consideration UNHCR's advice that refugees from central and southern Iraq, that is, not from the Kurdish area in the north, were to be considered refugees on a prima facie basis. While this doesn't bind visa officers, we ask officers to take seriously that opinion. The result has been a very significant increase in the acceptance rate for Iraqi refugees at our processing office.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mrs. Aucoin said that you're also looking at expediting family class--parents, grandparents, partners, spouses, and dependent children in the surrounding area. Did I hear that correctly?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Operational Coordination, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Bruce Scoffield

Yes, it's for Iraqis who have been displaced into the region covered by our visa office in Damascus. So that includes Jordan and Lebanon.