Evidence of meeting #8 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-17.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Les Linklater  Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Chaplin
Leslie Ann Jeffrey  Associate Professor, Department of History and Politics, University of New Brunswick, As an Individual
John Muise  Director, Public Safety, Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness
Janet Dench  Executive Director, Canadian Council for Refugees
Francisco Rico-Martinez  Former President, Canadian Council for Refugees

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Our meeting will come to order.

I want to welcome all of you here to our committee today as we begin consideration of Bill C-17, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

I want to welcome a new member from the Bloc party, Mr. St.-Cyr, who is taking the place of Madame Faille. Welcome.

I think we should instruct our clerk to write a letter of thanks to Madame Faille for the great contribution she's made to the committee over the years. She has been an invaluable member of the committee, so I think we should do that.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

So, Mr. St-Cyr, you have big shoes to fill.

I want to welcome two panels today.

Our first panel will be officials from the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, Mr. Les Linklater, director general of the immigration branch; Maia Welbourne, director of temporary resident policy and programs development, immigration branch; and Mr. Eric Stevens.

Welcome to all of you as we begin consideration of Bill C-17. Thank you for coming today.

We have a new analyst at the table as well; Laura Barnett is from the law and government division. Laura will be helping us with our consideration of Bill C-17.

We will begin immediately.

I will pass it over to you to make some opening statements if you so wish.

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Les Linklater Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My name is Les Linklater and I'm the Director General of the Immigration Branch of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. I would like to thank the committee for inviting me to speak to you today on Bill C-17, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the IRPA.

When the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration appeared before the committee in November, you heard about the government's commitment to improve its immigration programming, including numerous improvements to the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.

But any improvements in efficiency must be accompanied by better controls and protection for vulnerable workers in order to encourage the legal movement of Temporary Foreign Workers into Canada.

The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and its regulations allow officers to refuse work permits based on concerns such as prior criminal convictions or medical conditions. Bill C-17 would go further. It would allow officers to prevent prospective temporary foreign workers from entering Canada when doing so would subject them to the risk of exploitation and abuse.

It is well known that Canada has always extended the same protections to temporary foreign workers that Canadians are afforded. Unfortunately, as the committee knows, temporary foreign workers who have weak official language skills, an absence of friends or family in Canada, and little money, perhaps, given a fear of police and/or government, sometimes need more protection than Canadian workers need. Their lack of support networks in Canada leaves them vulnerable to unscrupulous employers or job brokers. Bill C-17 is one of a series of steps the government is taking to reduce this risk of exploitation.

Bill C-17 begins by seeking to change the objectives set out in paragraph 3(1)(h) of IRPA from protecting the health and safety of Canadians to protecting public health and safety of any person who is in Canada legally, including temporary entrants. The government's obligation to protect health and safety should embrace any person who is in Canada legally, whether they are a Canadian citizen, a permanent resident, or a temporary resident.

Bill C-17 then goes on to provide that, on instructions issued by the minister, immigration officers would be allowed to refuse work permits to foreign nationals who otherwise qualify but who officers believe would be at risk of humiliating or degrading treatment, including sexual exploitation, once they are admitted to Canada.

You will note the emphasis on “officers”, Mr. Chair, because under the legislation, applicants cannot be refused work permits based on ministerial instructions without the concurrence of two immigration officers. This provision reduces the likelihood of an instruction being applied inappropriately or incorrectly.

It is important to note that the legislation itself does not provide any instructions. It merely establishes the authority for the minister to issue instructions. Such instructions will only be issued where there is objective evidence that concerns for the safety of some temporary foreign worker applicants are serious and well-founded. This may cover exotic dancers as well as other potential victims of human trafficking or other abuse or exploitation, but the research and analysis to support any such instructions has not yet been completed.

Each decision involving any future instructions would be made by immigration officers on a case-by-case basis. Each application for a work permit would be assessed on its own merits.

Instructions must be published in the Canada Gazette to become effective. Being the federal government's publication of record, the Canada Gazette is regularly reviewed by the media, the immigration bar, and any other interested parties.

Furthermore, any instructions issued during each year must be reported in the Minister's Annual Report to Parliament. This degree of transparency is essential, given the discretionary nature of the authority.

Mr. Chair, the committee knows this discretionary authority is similar to powers found in the laws of Australia and the United Kingdom. It is also similar to a provision that currently exists within IRPA that allows the minister to exercise positive discretion, that is, to waive inadmissibility based on public policy considerations.

Bill C-17 is one of many steps CIC is taking along with our colleagues at Human Resources and Social Development Canada/Service Canada to make the temporary foreign worker program better for employers and better for foreign and Canadian workers.

Following a series of administrative measures announced since November 2006, including improved employer outreach and streamlined processes, Budget 2007 provided new funding for CIC and HRSDC to deal with increased volumes more efficiently, to fill gaps in current programming, and to establish a more effective monitoring and compliance framework for the temporary foreign worker program.

We are aware of the need to improve the program to ensure employers are meeting their commitments to workers, and that workers have the tools to raise awareness of their rights and responsibilities.

Provinces and territories, which are largely responsible for monitoring of employment standards and occupational health and safety, are also actively engaging on this file.

The recently signed Canada-Alberta and Canada-Nova Scotia agreements on immigration contain provisions to negotiate an annex on temporary foreign workers in the coming months, including recognition of the need to protect the interests of workers.

We are also working to help temporary foreign workers in Ontario by making workers aware of eligibility requirements for health insurance, benefits, pension plans, and other protections under the Occupational Health and Safety Act, the Employment Standards Act, and the Labour Relations Act. Along with Bill C-17, these and other measures will help to maintain the integrity of Canada's immigration program.

Citizenship and Immigration will continue to address the issue of protecting vulnerable workers temporarily in Canada in coordination with many other federal departments that aim to address these challenges.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I welcome your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Do any of you have any further opening statements you want to make, or are you ready for questioning?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

We're ready for questioning.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay.

On our first round of questions, which will be seven minutes, Mr. Karygiannis.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Linklater, thanks to you and your colleagues for coming in front of us.

This is a bill that is of quite an interest in the community. While it is of interest in the community because of a particular aspect that the minister certainly, from time to time, tries to portray, it has come to be known as “the strippers' bill”. But I'm sure you agree with me that this goes beyond just the strippers and the protection of the foreign workers who come over here to work in the strip bars.

Would that be correct, sir?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

Yes. In fact, the provisions of this bill would be applicable to any foreign worker who came to Canada and who may be in a situation of vulnerability. That could include a low-skilled labourer, it could include a live-in caregiver, it could include an exotic dancer.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

How many work permits for exotic dancers did we used to give throughout the year, in past history? I know the last few years we stopped giving work permits for exotic dancers. How many exotic dancer temporary work visas did we give out? Five hundred? Six hundred a year? A thousand a year?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

The number in 2005 was 66. Last year it was 21.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

In 2004?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

For 2004, I'd have to get back to you with that figure, sir.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Would it be double 2005, triple 2005?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

It would probably be above a hundred.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Above a hundred.

Okay. How many temporary foreign work permits do we give out per year? How many did we give out in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

In 2006 we issued just under 113,000.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Under 113,000.

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

In 2005, just under 100,000.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Okay. So would you agree with me, sir, if I were to do the quick math, that that would be 1% or 0.01%?

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

The number of exotic dancers who receive permits?

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Yes, I mean from the whole milieu.

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Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

The number of exotic dancers who received work permits would be a considerably small proportion of the total amount.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Very minimal.

So then this particular bill that we have in front of us is a bill to address overall foreign workers coming to Canada, and it's not strictly for the striptease industry. Correct?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

These provisions would apply to any foreign worker who might be in a situation of vulnerability.