Yes.
Evidence of meeting #28 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was case.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #28 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was case.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
Yes.
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Liberal
Andrew Kania Liberal Brampton West, ON
Secondly, they're reviewing it on very limited technical grounds such as whether there has been a mistake on the question of fact or law, something like that. It's not a full review to determine whether it was just simply correct as a decision, you will agree.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
They do in fact get into questions of merit, although you're quite right, technically their job is to simply review whether due legal process has been followed.
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Liberal
Andrew Kania Liberal Brampton West, ON
Not whether or not the decision was what they would do, but whether there were some mistakes made.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
Yes.
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Liberal
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
In principle.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
There's no appeal on the merits, technically.
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Liberal
Andrew Kania Liberal Brampton West, ON
Right, exactly. That's the point; there's no appeal on the merits. And even for somebody who wants to try to get judicial review, they have to find a source to fund that to go to court. You can't do it for free, correct? You need a lawyer.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
Yes, and you can get legal aid.
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Liberal
Andrew Kania Liberal Brampton West, ON
Assuming that they give enough hours and assuming that they approve the person, right?
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
Yes.
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Liberal
Andrew Kania Liberal Brampton West, ON
So in essence, then, you'll agree that there really should be an appeal mechanism at some point, out of fairness, to make sure that the substance of the decision is actually reviewed by somebody. You must agree with that.
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
I've said that already.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON
Thank you, Chair.
Mr. Collacott, did you say there are 10 million people in refugee camps in the world?
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Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual
Yes, and those aren't just internally displaced; those are actual refugees outside the country.
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Bloc
Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC
On a point of order, Mr. Chair. I understand that Mr. Young still has questions he would like to ask, but when this committee was formed, we established certain rules. Accordingly, after the Liberal critic, it is the Bloc Québécois' turn to ask a question.
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Conservative
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Bloc
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Conservative
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Conservative
Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON
I'm not disagreeing, sir. I'm trying to understand, Chair, what is this procedure where you say to the committee members “hold up your hand and whoever is first”—
