Evidence of meeting #43 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was beijing.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rénald Gilbert  Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Micheline Aucoin  Immigration Program Manager (Manila), Area Director (Southeast Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Sidney Frank  Immigration Program Manager (Beijing), Area Director (North Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration
David Manicom  Immigration Program Manager (New Delhi), Area Director (South Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

This is the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. Our orders of the day, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), are for a study of immigration application process wait times.

We have four witnesses today; four guests from around the world, it seems.

I want to thank you all for coming. This is a topic that the committee has been working on for some time. We even contemplated going to some of your offices.

I'm going to introduce the four of you from the Department of Citizenship and Immigration: Rénald Gilbert, director general, international region; Micheline Aucoin, immigration program manager in Manila and area director for southeast Asia; Sidney Frank, immigration program manager in Beijing and area director for north Asia; and David Manicom, immigration program manager in New Delhi and area director for south Asia.

I apologize if I pronounced some of your names incorrectly. You can correct me later.

We have two hours. I know that committee members have a number of questions.

What we hoped, Mr. Gilbert, was that if you could speak for a couple of minutes, the other guests would have up to 10 minutes each to speak on the problems in their particular areas.

I want to welcome you and thank you for coming and helping us. It's a topic that the committee is most concerned about and is continuing to work on.

Mr. Gilbert, you have the floor.

8:50 a.m.

Rénald Gilbert Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning. My name is Rénald Gilbert, and I am the Director General of the International Region of Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

I would like to thank the committee for its interest in hearing from representatives of some of our visa offices abroad. Before the remarks of my colleagues from overseas, I would like to very briefly provide some general context.

I understand the committee's particular interest in the six visa offices relates to processing times for permanent residence applications, especially for family class and investor cases.

I would like to set the stage by saying that, while we recognize that there is always room for improvement, efforts have been made to improve processing times within the limits established by immigration levels.

A number of factors influence processing times at each of these offices. For instance, while priority family class cases are processed without a limit on numbers, investor and non-priority family class applications are subject to annual targets, which do have a significant impact on processing times. Secondly, resource allocation, particularly having the right level of resources in the right place at the right time, is always a challenge. Thirdly, there are competing priorities for resources from other lines of business and from temporary resident application volumes.

I would also underline that, while visa offices have many processing issues and challenges in common, there is also considerable diversity given the broad range of countries and clientele served. The importance of local context means that processes and practices that are successful in one place may not be so effective in another, and this should be kept in mind before making direct comparisons between offices.

My three colleagues here today, in addition to being immigration program managers of three of our largest foreign offices, are also area directors collectively responsible for all visa offices in the Asia-Pacific region. I invite you to put to them directly any questions you may have that are specific to their offices or regions, but I would also be pleased to answer any questions you may have that relate to the visa office network as a whole.

Thank you.

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you for your introductory comments, sir.

We will now have the other witnesses speak.

Madame Aucoin, for 10 minutes please.

8:50 a.m.

Micheline Aucoin Immigration Program Manager (Manila), Area Director (Southeast Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am honoured to be here today before the committee. My name is Micheline Aucoin, and I am the Immigration Program Manager in Manila, and Area Director for Southeast Asia.

I understand that you have a particular interest in processing times in the family and investor categories. I will therefore provide information on these topics in the context of Manila's operations.

As Rénald mentioned, Manila is a large centre for both permanent and temporary migration. The office covers a large territory of Pacific islands, although in practice, the vast majority of the applications we receive are from the Philippines.

To give you an idea of the size of our program, on the temporary side, we receive some 30,000 applications per year for temporary visitor's visas, with processing times which are steadily improving.

We also have flexibility for same-day service for emergency cases. We also receive a large number of applications for temporary work permits, and this number tends to fluctuate with the health of the Canadian labour market. For example, the number of such applications had almost doubled to about 28,000 in 2008, only to drop off by half the following year and further in 2010.

The 2009-10 drop allowed us to not only reduce our inventory and processing times significantly — we now process most temporary foreign worker applications in four weeks —, but to also reallocate resources to other programs with high needs, including priority family class.

We also have a sizeable live-in caregiver program, and we are making significant inroads in reducing inventories and processing times in that category.

With respect to permanent migration, we issued more than 27,000 permanent resident visas last year. Of note is the large increase in the provincial nominee program in Manila over the last few years. Almost 10,000 visas were issued in that category in 2010, the vast majority processed in less than a year.

We have also been able to process the vast majority of our skilled worker applications received after November 2008 —the so-called Bill C-50 cases — within a year and have started to make a dent in our pre-Bill C-50 federal skilled worker inventory.

We still have 45,000 persons in that inventory and are working to reduce it, subject to competing priorities and availability of resources. Manila sees a large and increasing number of applications from dependent family members of live-in caregivers in Canada. For the second year in a row, we issued 6,000 visas in that category in 2010, and yet saw another growth in our inventory.

In the family class category, we issued more than 4,000 visas last year, and I am pleased to say that processing times for priority cases, that is for spouses, partners and children, were at nine months last year, well within the departmental service standards.

That being said, we still have almost 2,000 persons in process in our priority family class, and we are determined to do better.

We have looked at each step in our process to determine if there were ways to cut time and steps that could be eliminated altogether for some low-risk cases. We have made changes that allow some of the cases to be processed in a matter of a few months. There are challenges that are particular to Manila, including the fact that divorce is not available in the Philippines. But there are also factors that should help Manila process applications in a timelier manner than other missions, including the fact that the majority of our applicants are from the Philippines and can relatively easily come to Manila for an interview.

For parents, grandparents, and other family class applications, we have an inventory of some 4,000 persons, and our processing times are about two and a half years. We recognize the inconvenience that this may cause, and are showing flexibility in issuing visitor visas to parents and grandparents who are waiting for their immigration application to be finalized.

The role that family reunification plays in the movement we see out of Manila is not limited to the family class. A good example is the 6,000 visas we issued last year to dependent family members of the live-in caregivers already in Canada. In addition, many of our applicants under the provincial nominee program have extended-family members in Canada.

Equally, on the temporary side, many of our applicants under the live-in caregiver program are going to work for extended family members in Canada. And many of our temporary visitor visas are issued to Filipinos who want to visit family members in Canada.

I know that you are interested to hear about the investors program. In Manila, however, we receive only a very small number of applications under this program—less than 20 last year for federal investors and less than five for Quebec. We currently have about 100 investor cases in our inventory.

In closing, Mr. Chairman, Manila is in a good position to deliver on its commitments this year again and to further reduce processing times in key categories. However, in a program as large as Manila's, with important fluctuations in some categories, we need to always be prepared to prioritize and reallocate resources as need be, to constantly review our internal procedures to find more efficiencies, and to provide better service to our clients. This is what we are doing and will continue to do.

In addition to efforts at the local level, CIC is developing important tools, such as the global case management system, the famous GCMS, and an electronic suite of services, which will have a tremendously positive impact on our work abroad. I will not expand on these except to say that Manila has had GCMS for three months now and already we see the enormous potential in terms of processing efficiencies, redistribution of work, and tracking of cases.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

9 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you.

I might add that members of the committee had actually contemplated travelling to where you work, in the past, but because of the recession and economic reasons, we decided against that. So it's very great that you're all here today.

Mr. Frank, you have up to 10 minutes, sir.

9 a.m.

Sidney Frank Immigration Program Manager (Beijing), Area Director (North Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to thank the committee for inviting me to speak.

My name is Sidney Frank, and I'm the immigration program manager in Beijing and area director for north Asia.

I'd like to provide a short overview of the program in Beijing, emphasizing topics that I believe are of most interest to the committee.

One of the largest visa offices in Canada's overseas network, Beijing has close to 100 staff. As a regional program centre, Beijing oversees satellite offices in Shanghai, which handles temporary resident applications from four Chinese provinces, and in Guangzhou, which handles the migration integrity program in southern China.

Hong Kong is responsible for family class applications from southern China, and has jointly handled all economic category applications from China in conjunction with Beijing since the mid-1990s.

I'm certain you're all aware that in spite of the current worldwide economic downturn, China continues to demonstrate near double-digit growth. With a growing middle class, increasing numbers of Chinese are able to travel, study, and do business abroad. In 2010, 151,647 temporary resident visas were issued to Chinese nationals to visit Canada. Over half of those visas were issued in Beijing.

Canada was granted Approved Destination Status, or ADS, during the Prime Minister's visit in December 2009, and the first ADS groups travelled to Canada in August 2010. Last year, 6,540 tourists travelled to China as part of ADS groups and a similar number travelled to Canada on their own. We anticipate that the number of tourists destined for Canada will increase more rapidly this coming summer. We have been working with Chinese travel agencies recommended by the Canadian Tourism Commission to handle these tourist groups.

A significant portion of the Chinese population has not benefited from economic growth. Consequently, strong push factors for migration remain, and fraud and misrepresentation are widespread. Canada continues to be an attractive destination for illegal Chinese migrants and for economic criminals who target our temporary and permanent resident programs to gain entry to Canada.

In spite of high levels of fraud, 84% of temporary resident applicants were approved in 2010. For business visitors the acceptance rate was 89%. Refusals are extremely rare for business persons who work for state-owned enterprises, a significant proportion of our business visitors. The service we provide is comparable to or better than Australia, the United States, or the United Kingdom, with 66% of our private business visitors processed the day after receipt in our office. Visa application centres in four major cities in China make the application process more convenient for private visitors, tourists, business travellers, students, or temporary workers.

In 2010 Beijing issued 17,195 study permits, making China the largest source of foreign students for Canada. The student program continues to grow at a rapid pace, with a 17% increase in applications in 2010 compared to the previous year, and more than double the number received in 2005. The student program is expected to continue to grow through the recent expansion to China of the student partners program, the SPP, between CIC and the Association of Canadian Community Colleges.

With the introduction of optional up-front medicals that allow a student to undertake the medical examinations prior to the submission of an application, processing times have dropped significantly. Approximately 67% of the applicants now take advantage of this new procedure. Of these cases, 80% are processed within 13 days, compared to eight weeks in 2008 prior to the procedure's introduction.

High levels of fraud and misrepresentation in the student program mean that considerable resources must be devoted to the assessment of these applications. Students comprise 33% of our refusals for fraud. Nevertheless, we have managed to maintain a relatively high acceptance rate of 75% to 80% for students over the past few years without a negative impact on program integrity.

China has been the number one source of immigrants to Canada for more than a decade. As I have explained, Beijing shares the processing of permanent resident applications submitted by Chinese nationals with our mission in Hong Kong. In 2010, Beijing issued 9,391 visas, about 59% of the total issued by Hong Kong.

At the end of 2010, Beijing had an inventory of 9,034 permanent resident cases, declining from 12,646 cases in 2008, a drop of over 7,000 persons. This can be attributed to the transfer of 1,500 Bill C-50 skilled worker cases, which were not eligible under ministerial instructions, to the Centralized Intake Office in Sydney for finalization, and to the fact that there were more cases finalized than applications received.

The number of skilled worker applications received in Beijing and Hong Kong declined dramatically after IRPA came into effect. The higher language requirements imposed by IRPA and the increasing ability of the Chinese economy to provide well-paid employment to highly skilled workers contributed to this decline. With the implementation of Bill C-50, skilled worker intake has declined further.

We are aware that consultants are promoting the investor programs in China as an alternative to the more restrictive ministerial instructions of the Bill C-50 skilled worker category. Current real estate values in first- and second-tier cities in China make it relatively easy for many of China's middle class to meet the new minimum net worth requirement of the investor category.

Unlike Hong Kong, which has seen huge increases in investor applications prior to the introduction of the new regulations regarding the investor category, the business intake in Beijing declined by 26% in 2009 compared to the previous year, with 355 cases received. In 2010, intake increased by 9% with 386 applications received. Among business categories, Beijing gives priority to investors. Between 2004 and 2009, processing times for 80% of federal and Quebec investors went from 47 to 30 months.

A significant portion of our business caseload is comprised of wealthy applicants claiming to have made very large sums of money during a period in China's economic development when this would have been an exceedingly rare accomplishment. Even rarer is the verifiable paper trail that would establish their wealth was legally obtained. It has proven very difficult under these circumstances to differentiate between legitimate businessmen and those who obtained their wealth illegally.

Beijing's family class unit handles a large volume of sponsored spouses and dependent children. With a high risk of marriages of convenience, approximately 33% of applicants are interviewed. Nevertheless, 80% of cases are completed within four months from when the sponsorship is received at the case processing centre in Mississauga.

During our low season for temporary residents, we shift resources to permanent resident processing, enabling us to process spousal applications as quickly as one month from their receipt in our office. Approximately 85% of applications assessed in 2010 were accepted. Targets for sponsored parents and grandparents are managed globally. Current processing time for this category in Beijing is 37 months for 80% of cases.

For many years, Beijing has been a centre of innovation, using information technology to reduce the clerical work required to process applications. I am pleased to advise you that these innovations have been incorporated into our new global case management system, whose implementation abroad began at the end of June 2010. GCMS is scheduled to be implemented in Beijing at the end of this month.

I wish to assure you that the team in China is committed to the expeditious processing of all types of cases while protecting Canada from those persons who should be denied entry.

I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you, Mr. Frank.

Our final witness to speak is Mr. Manicom, who goes to New Delhi from time to time.

February 15th, 2011 / 9:10 a.m.

David Manicom Immigration Program Manager (New Delhi), Area Director (South Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank the committee for inviting me to speak.

My name is David Manicom, and I am Program Manager of the New Delhi visa office, and Area Director for South Asia. I would like to provide a short overview emphasizing topics which I understand are of most interest to the committee.

New Delhi is Canada's largest visa office, with over 150 staff. We are responsible for delivery of the immigration program in India, Nepal and Bhutan. A satellite office in Chandigarh processes temporary residence applications, primarily from the states of Punjab and Haryana. We operate a network of visa application centres in nine major Indian cities and in Nepal, to facilitate the handling of temporary resident applications. Over 90% of applicants choose to use these centres. On an average business day, we render decisions on over 500 applications —more than one per minute.

While I understand temporary resident programs are not of most direct interest to the committee at this time, I do want to spend a moment on this topic, as it is important to understand the overall operation in Delhi, and how resources are managed.

As has been the case for China, India has barely been affected by the world economic crisis, and its economic growth has continued at a rapid pace. Thus, our visitor, study permit and work permit programs have grown very rapidly in the past decade, roughly tripling in size. This pattern continued in 2010 with an increase of about 20% over 2009 volumes. New Delhi assessed over 93,000 temporary resident applications last year, and will receive over 1,000 passports on peak days.

The program is highly seasonal. Intake in spring is more than triple that in January. We cross-train officers and inject resources from the immigrant units in order to remain current on all temporary resident business lines at all times. Doing so reduces the non-value added work generated by delays, and over time preserves the maximum amount of resources for immigrant processing. It does mean, however, that our unit, which processes skilled workers and investors, will have 13 or so officers in the winter, but only six in the summer.

Delhi does high-volume processing in a high-potential value-added but high-risk environment, where fraud is endemic. To deal with that situation, we have developed several innovative programs where we work closely with stakeholders to manage risk and facilitate low-risk travellers.

For example, our business express program, in cooperation with about 55 large and reliable firms doing regular business in Canada, provides simplified documentation, 24- to 48-hour processing, and an approval rate of over 98%. We think that's important to help Canada meet its objective of dramatically increasing trade with India as India evolves into an economic global power. By streaming these applications separately, we also realize internal efficiencies, conserving our resources for in-depth review of higher-risk cases.

Our student partners program, inaugurated in New Delhi in 2009, and now with 40 participating community colleges, has succeeded in significantly improving approval rates, quadrupling application volumes and permits issued, while managing risk through stricter documentation and feedback information on actual attendance by the schools.

In each of our temporary resident business lines, processing times are falling and are faster than the global norm. For example, 88% of all visitor visa applications are finalized within one week, and over a third of them within two days.

With regard to permanent residents, India has been Canada's second-largest source of permanent residents in recent years. New Delhi issued over 25,000 permanent resident visas last year. New Delhi has by far Canada's largest family class program and also, unfortunately, the largest inventory of economic category applications.

New Delhi issues about 20% of the global family class visas each year. In our priority category, spouses and dependent children, we finalize 80% of cases within six months and the median is four months.

In the parents and grandparents category, output is managed globally. We process sufficient cases each year to meet the objective assigned to the office. Current processing time at the office is 30 months. This does not include sponsorship time at CPC Mississauga.

The primary challenge in the sponsored spouses program is determining whether or not marriages are genuine. Marriages of convenience are common. However, the large majority of marriages are genuine, with about 85% being approved. The majority of cases do not require interviews. However, we provide extensive training to our officers on local law and custom, and if questions about marriages of convenience arise, officers do lengthy interviews to attempt to ensure there is a genuine relationship. We schedule interviews shortly after receiving the applications so that even cases requiring an interview are not significantly delayed.

With regard to sponsored parents and grandparents, the primary difficulty relates to the misrepresentation of dependent children. Many families in our caseload provide fraudulent documentation showing children are still full-time students, or add unrelated children to their files. As applicants are generally elderly, these cases are also frequently delayed by complex medical conditions.

New Delhi has the largest inventory of skilled worker cases submitted prior to the ministerial instructions. Significant progress was made in 2008-09 in reducing the pre-2008 inventory from over 140,000 persons to about 99,000 today, a decrease of over 30%. The processing time for these cases continues to lengthen, and was at 82 months in 2010. For all but a few months of that time, the cases are not in active process, but consume resources through managing correspondence. Owing to the number of new cases submitted under ministerial instructions, we processed few old inventory cases in 2010.

Indian nationals are the highest-volume applicants under the current ministerial instructions. At the present time, we are devoting all available resources to the quick processing of new cases received pursuant to Bill C-50. In 2010 we finalized 80% of all these cases within 10 months. Given the volume of intake under the first set of ministerial instructions, we will not be able to further reduce the inventory of older cases this year.

New Delhi issued over 11,900 skilled worker visas in 2010, an increase from about 8,300 in 2009.

I would also like to note that New Delhi is quickly becoming one of the major source countries for provincial nominee programs. This program was quite small in India until recently, but tripled in size between 2008 and 2010.

Finally, I understand that the committee has a particular interest in the federal investor program. This program was very small in New Delhi in the past, with few applications prior to 2007. Intake has increased significantly in the past two years. Given our very large skilled worker inventory, and the largest global family class program, we are not able yet to give a high priority to this new caseload. In 2010 we processed 80% of cases within 28 months, somewhat faster than the global average. We approved only about half of the cases in 2010.

We believe this recent increase is primarily due to the priority afforded to the investor applicants over other business immigration categories. The applicants are mainly small farmers with landholdings of 10 acres or so. This profile of individual previously applied in the self-employed category, but as our processing in that category is much slower, they are shifting into the investor category. Due to the rising cost of land on the margins of major Indian cities, these small farmers, mainly in the Punjab, can now meet minimum net worth requirements, and normally have at least five farmhands to meet the minimum employee requirements.

The percentage of investor program applicants who are major business persons of high net worth is very small.

This is a quick tour d'horizon of just some of our programs. We are working hard to advance Canada's interests in India. I would be happy to answer any questions the committee might have.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you, Mr. Manicom, and all of the presenters.

Members of the committee will now have some questions.

Mr. Trudeau.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Thank you, Chair.

First of all, I'd like to look at the grandparents and the sponsorship of parents, and at the times. In Manila, Beijing, and New Delhi, in order, the wait times appear to be two and a half years; three years or so, about 37 months; and then two and a half years. That is, however, in addition to the processing times in Mississauga.

What is the processing time in Mississauga, on average, Monsieur Gilbert?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

The last data I had was that it was 40 months, but it has been increasing, since the number of applications received is larger than the target that we are allowed to do.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

We're talking about two and a half years over there, and about three and a half years, before that, over here, so it's around six years in total for the times right now.

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

That's correct.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

The backlog in Manila for grandparent applications is about 4,000. This was what Madame Aucoin had said. In Beijing, what is the backlog for grandparents?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

It's slightly under 7,000.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

And in New Delhi?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

It's close to 12,000.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

How many of the parents and grandparents--that is, the non-priority family sponsorships--are accepted every year in the various areas?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

The number has varied from year to year, but for 2011 the target that was set for us was 11,200.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

In total.

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

Yes, in total.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

But in each area, what is it?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

In the case of Beijing, currently it's 2,500. To be precise, we changed it slightly during the year. That was not the number at the beginning of the year. It was 2,650. Now it's 2,500.

In the case of New Delhi, it's 2,300, and in the case of Manila, 750.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Given that this new target is reduced from around 15,000 to now 11,000 and change, what impact will that have on those new targets?

9:20 a.m.

Director General, International Region, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Rénald Gilbert

Those are the targets for 2011. Last year they were different.

For instance, we have increased substantially the target for Beijing, and we have decreased the one for Delhi--so my friend David is unhappy with me, and my friend Sid as well.