Evidence of meeting #2 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was system.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

James McNamee  Director, Immigration Strategies and Analysis, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Teny Dikranian  Senior Analyst, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Caitlin Imrie  Director General, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Maia Welbourne  Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Ladies and gentlemen, we'll start the meeting.

This is the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, meeting number two, Thursday, November 7, 2013.

We are dealing with clauses 174 and 175 having to do with the Criminal Code, and clauses 290 to 293 having to do with the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act of Bill C-4, a second act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 21, 2013, and other measures. I have asked the clerk to distribute to you excerpts of Bill C-4, so you will have those before you.

We have as our guests members from the Department of Citizenship and Immigration: Caitlin Imrie, director general of the passport program transition office; Maia Welbourne, senior director of strategic policy and planning; James McNamee, director of immigration strategies and analysis; and Teny Dikranian, senior analyst to the passport program transition office.

The four of you are here to brief us on these clauses. I believe you have 10 minutes. Then I expect members of the committee would like to ask some questions or make some comments.

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James McNamee Director, Immigration Strategies and Analysis, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you.

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Teny Dikranian Senior Analyst, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Who's on first?

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Caitlin Imrie Director General, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

I'm on first.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you and good morning, again.

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Director General, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Caitlin Imrie

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and members of the committee. My name is Caitlin Imrie, and I'm director general for the transition office at CIC.

Thank you for the invitation to speak to you today about Bill C-4, A second act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 21, 2013 and other measures, specifically part 3, division 4, related to passports. Following my opening remarks, my colleague Maia Welbourne, Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, will speak to part 3, division 16, related to the expression of interest system.

My remarks outline the technical amendments for the transfer in responsibility for Passport Canada from Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada to Citizenship and Immigration Canada, which came into effect July 2, 2013.

There are two clauses in division 4 that relate to passports: clause 174 and clause 175. Both of these provisions are technical amendments that reflect the transition. The decision to transfer these responsibilities was the result of analysis that showed the passport program was better aligned with the mandate of Citizenship and Immigration Canada, given that citizenship is at the core of the passport program.

As part of the transfer in responsibilities, Employment and Social Development Canada now provides in Canada delivery of passport services, while the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development continues to provide service delivery overseas.

Changes to the legislation that are included in the budget implementation act include updates to provisions of the Criminal Code and the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Act which reflect the transfer in responsibility between departments. The Criminal Code will be amended to link it to the interpretation section of the Canada passport order which now defines passports as documents issued by the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

The Department of Foreign Affairs Trade and Development Act will also be updated to reflect the fact that travel documents are now issued by the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration.

I will now turn the floor over to my colleague Maia Welbourne, who will speak to the clauses in division 16 on the expression of interest system.

11:40 a.m.

Maia Welbourne Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Mr. Chair, members of the committee, thank you for the invitation to speak to you today about the subject matter of part 3, division 16 of Bill C-4.

Mr. Chair, and members of the committee, my remarks will provide an overview of the foundational legislation required to implement a new approach to Canada's immigration system. Based on Australia's and New Zealand's experiences with the expression-of-interest model, also known as EOI, CIC is working with partners to develop a similar system for Canada.

As members of this committee are well aware, the Government of Canada has made the reform of the immigration system an important priority. Economic action plan 2013 and the recent Speech from the Throne announced the government's intention to move to an expression-of-interest model. Along with other modernization initiatives, EOI will be a key component in creating a faster and more flexible immigration system.

The expression-of-interest model is a new electronic, fully automated, application management system that will apply to certain economic immigration streams. Creating the new system requires legislative changes to establish a two-step application process, introducing the concept of a stand-alone expression-of-interest pre-application stage, followed by an application by invitation only to the top candidates. The candidates invited to apply will be those with the right mix of high human capital, ability to work in Canada as demonstrated by an offer of employment, and/or nomination by a province or territory.

It is important to be clear that the expression-of-interest system is not a new program, nor does it replace any existing skills immigration program. The EOI system is a new component within an existing Government of Canada system. It builds on our existing IT infrastructure investment and the global case management system.

Before describing the automated processes that are possible with an expression-of-interest system, I will review EOI's key objectives. Primarily, the introduction of EOI is designed to improve application management. By only issuing invitations to apply to the number of applicants we can process, we will prevent the inventories that accumulated in the past and the associated legal risk. The new system will facilitate the arrival of the candidates best suited to Canada's needs, rather than the first person who applied. Aligning these applications to processing capacity and eliminating time spent waiting in inventories will support faster processing times.

A second feature of this system is its ability to increase the immigration system's labour market responsiveness. Evidence suggests that the selection of skilled immigrants with high levels of human capital, such as higher education, strong official languages skills, and relevant work experience, leads to better economic outcomes both initially and over time. We also know that immigrants who come with an offer of employment in hand have significantly better outcomes than those who come without. The expression-of-interest system seeks to combine the strengths of the human capital model with the benefits of having skilled immigrants arriving in Canada with employment and ready to work. Reducing unemployment and underemployment for permanent resident economic-class immigrants will help improve overall economic outcomes for both the new arrivals and the Canadian economy.

The EOI approach also presents an opportunity to strengthen the role of the provinces and territories in immigrant selection. The government is working with provincial and territorial partners to make EOI a success. Provinces and territories are well positioned to bring the benefits of immigration to their regions through their review and nomination of EOI candidates. The ability of provinces and territories to access EOI candidates through an EOI portal will allow for EOI candidates to be invited to apply to a provincial nominee program.

We are also consulting Canadian employers so they will be ready to consider EOI candidates that meet their skills requirements when the domestic labour force cannot. An offer of employment will play a key role in a decision to issue candidates an invitation to apply. We are working with Employment and Social Development Canada to make linkages to a modernized job bank that can be leveraged for EOI candidates. Private sector job sites are also an available platform for job matching between employers and EOI candidates.

To recap, the key objectives of EOI are to improve application management and reduce processing backlogs, to increase the labour market responsiveness of the immigration system, and to strengthen the provincial, territorial and employer role.

These objectives, as well as improved service standards for processing times, have the potential to transform the economic immigration experience and to provide better outcomes for skilled immigrants. To understand how the EOI system will achieve its objectives, I will now describe the processes involved.

The EOI system will create a two-stage electronic process for managing applications. The first stage of EOI will manage applications through an automated scanning of information provided by candidates.

Prospective immigrants will fill in an online form to express their interest in coming to Canada. The information collected in the EOI form, such as the person's language ability, education, and work experience will make it possible to search, sort, and rank applicants. If potential applicants meet certain minimum eligibility criteria, their EOI will be accepted into the system where they will be given a score and ranked by CIC, and will also be searchable by both CIC and the provinces and territories.

Top candidates, in other words, those with high point scores and/or a qualifying job offer and/or provincial or territorial nomination, can be issued invitations to apply for permanent residence. Only candidates issued an invitation to apply, an ITA, will be able to submit an application in certain economic programs.

The specific design features that will allow EOI to be operational will continue to be refined over the next year in time for launch of EOI in January 2015. Further design work and consultations with the provinces and territories are ongoing. Work with Employment and Social Development Canada is also under way to find linkages to their modernized job banks so employers can source EOI candidates to staff positions not met by Canada's existing labour market.

The expression of interest system will be enabled through a combination of legislative changes and ministerial instructions. The bill before us proposes that a new expression-of-interest division be added to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that will allow for a stand-alone pre-application stage as the first step in immigrating to Canada. In addition, this division will include broad provisions outlining the process of EOI, the required information sharing authority, as well as measures enabling a role for third parties, including provinces and territories as well as employers under this new system.

Alongside these new legislative authorities, EOI-specific ministerial instructions or MIs, will provide precision on how EOI will work. Similar to the approach used in Australia and New Zealand, these instructions will include details such as which economic classes will be subject to EOI, the criteria according to which candidates will be ranked, and the criteria for issuing invitations to apply.

The MIs will also set out the type of EOI candidate information that may be shared and with which entities, such as provinces and territories and Canadian employers, as well as any related conditions required for access to that information.

The use of MIs envisioned for EOI is consistent with their current use under section 87.3 of IRPA, in the same way that they have been used to set processing priorities. EOI-specific MIs that detail stable elements of the system will be published in the Canada Gazette and on CIC's website. EOI MIs that require flexible management, including the frequency and volume of invitations to apply, will also be published on CIC's website. This approach will achieve a balance between transparency and the flexibility to administer efficiently and adjust in future phases of implementation.

In conclusion, Mr. Chair, the government has demonstrated a firm commitment to strengthen the immigration system to make it fast and flexible in a way that will contribute to Canada's economic growth and promote positive outcomes for skilled immigrants.

The expression of interest system is a key part of an overall modernization agenda to achieve those objectives for Canada's immigration system.

My colleagues and I would be pleased to answer any questions.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you very much for your presentations.

The committee agreed that this meeting would last one hour; therefore, this meeting will end at 12:40.

Mr. Menegakis, you have up to seven minutes.

November 7th, 2013 / 11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Chair, I want to take a moment to thank our officials. Thank you so much for being here today and for your presentations.

My first question is an easy one. It's for you, Ms. Imrie.

My understanding is, from reading the legislation and from your presentation today, that the changes are technical in nature as they relate to Passport Canada. Is that fair to say?

11:50 a.m.

Director General, Passport Program Transition Office, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Caitlin Imrie

That is correct. These are purely technical changes that are necessary to reflect the change in ministerial accountabilities.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you very much.

I want to jump over to the expression of interest and the presentation that you made, Ms. Welbourne.

Our government has been focused on creating jobs, long-term economic growth and prosperity, and certainly, immigration is a fundamental principle in ensuring that we are successful in that goal.

We want to attract the brightest and the best. It is a competitive world and we want to maintain our economic advantage, if you will, worldwide. I also fully agree with your comment that a job is the best path to social integration and success of immigrants coming into our country.

How will the expression of interest make sure that we match immigrants' skills to the jobs that Canadians cannot fill? Would you care to comment on that?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

It's a combination of things, as I noted in my remarks. Evidence shows that it is often a combination of factors that increases an immigrant's chances of economic success, so we're looking at building a system that valorizes human capital but also recognizes the role of employers in providing a job offer, which might help to determine an immigrant's chances of success.

My department, along with our colleagues at Employment and Social Development Canada, is looking at ways to help individuals who have made it into the EOI pool to market themselves as prospective immigrants to Canada. We work with ESDC to ensure that we don't displace Canadian workers, using their system of the enhanced job bank and job matching. The system also helps to make connections between prospective employers and prospective immigrants so that when they arrive, they have a job offer in hand.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Skill sets and qualifications required across the country are regional in many respects. Requirements in Alberta are different from the requirements on Prince Edward Island. What impact do you foresee this will have on our labour market in Canada?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

One of the objectives of EOI is to maximize the number of immigrants coming to Canada with high human capital and/or a job offer and/or a provincial or territorial nomination. EOI doesn't change the number of immigrants coming to Canada. We've been receiving, on average, about 250,000 permanent residents every year. That's set through the annual levels plan. EOI doesn't change that number. The goal is for those program streams to ensure that those who are coming have a better chance of economic success once they arrive.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

You mentioned in your presentation that New Zealand and Australia already have an expression-of-interest program. Did you have consultations with them and review it with them?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

In those consultations and reviews, did they share with you some of the benefits that they've seen with their program?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

Yes. We've benefited from conversations with officials from New Zealand and Australia. They've been very generous in sharing their experiences with us. The New Zealand version of EOI has been in place for 12 or 13 years. The one in Australia is newer, having been implemented in July 2012. So yes, we've had conversations and we're building on them as we move forward.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

That places us in a bit of a competition. Once we implement the program with New Zealand and Australia, where do you see that we can have some competitive advantage over them?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

In a way we're already in competition with Australia and New Zealand and other immigrant-receiving countries. The fact that we don't currently have the ability to pick the best and brightest puts us at a disadvantage. We believe that introducing the EOI system will help to level the playing field.

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Is our model going to be any different from theirs?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

I beg your pardon?

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Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Will our model be identical to theirs or will it be different in some way?

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Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

It will have common elements, but it's important to note that they have quite different legislative frameworks in New Zealand and Australia. New Zealand is a unitary state. Still, we're learning from their experiences as we build our system.