Evidence of meeting #118 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alexandra Mendès  Brossard—Saint-Lambert, Lib.
Pierre Poilievre  Carleton, CPC
Lisa MacLeod  Minister of Children, Community and Social Services and Minister Responsible for Women’s Issues, Government of Ontario
Randy Hope  Mayor, Municipality of Chatham-Kent
Jean-Pierre Fortin  National President, Customs and Immigration Union
Randy Boldt  As an Individual

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

Who will pay for it?

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

It will be paid for by all three levels of government—

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

How much will it cost?

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

—because right now the City of Toronto's claim is that there is a $65-million price tag to the surge that's being experienced this year.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

Right. But my question—

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

The challenge is that—

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

Sorry, but with respect, Mr. Vaughan, our time is very limited.

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

I'm answering the question.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

You're responsible for housing. You're here to testify particularly on the illegal border crossers. Your government has made the decision to house these border crossers in hotels once they're evicted from dormitories.

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

No. It was a joint decision by all three levels of government to do that.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

How much will it cost?

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

The City of Toronto has said that the cost pressure they're facing is in the area of $65 million. What they haven't done is break that down into families and individuals. It is families that are being housed in the student residences.

As to the use of hotels, we're now about 20 years down that road. Those costs have been folded into both the social service transfer and the HPS dollars, the $23 million a year that comes to the City of Toronto—

12:50 p.m.

Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

But how much? How much will it cost?

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

The trouble is that the breakdown on that population includes all families seeking shelter in Toronto, not just immigrants, refugees, or asylum seekers.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

So you don't know how much that will cost.

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

Well, this is part of the reason why we need more split-out statistics, which the province has and is withholding from us, and which the city has and hasn't shared with the province.

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Carleton, CPC

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

What we've said is that we accept that there is a federal responsibility and role here. We have a $40-billion housing program. The goal here is not simply to house people in hotels; it is to move people into proper housing.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

Yes, and—

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

The other component to this—

12:50 p.m.

Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

Sorry. With respect, you already gave your speech.

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

Well, I'm answering your question.

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

You're not answering my question. The question—

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Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

The other component to this is that when you—

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Carleton, CPC

Pierre Poilievre

—was very simple: How much will it cost?