Evidence of meeting #126 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was policy.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jennifer Bond  Managing Director and Chair of the Global Refugee Sponsorship Initiative, The Refugee Hub
Salma Zahid  Scarborough Centre, Lib.
Ramez Ayoub  Thérèse-De Blainville, Lib.
Ziad Aboultaif  Edmonton Manning, CPC
Audrey Macklin  Director, Centre for Criminology and Sociolegal Studies, University of Toronto, Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers
Anna Purkey  Assistant Professor, Department of Sociology and Legal Studies, St. Jerome's University, As an Individual
Jamie Liew  Associate Professor and Refugee Lawyer, Faculty of Law, Common Law Section, University of Ottawa, As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Prof. Anna Purkey

I'm not sure there is much of value that I can add, except that I would still reiterate the principled approach as well, in that the premise of the safe third country agreement is that the country that individuals are being returned to is, in fact, safe. We have credible evidence that for many people right now the U.S. is not a safe third country.

That opens the door to really rethinking this agreement and its very fundamental purpose. Moreover, I would say that many of these bilateral agreements have the unfortunate side effect of pushing people into illegality. As Professor Macklin has said, if we are going to put border guards at Roxham, we will have people crossing through fields outside of Calgary or fields outside of Edmonton. We will have people freezing in the snow, because people will cross. People will come to seek safety. We are simply pushing individuals into a more dangerous, more illegal situation by strengthening this particular—some might argue inhumane—policy.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much. I really do appreciate that.

I think it's worth putting on the record over and over again this important point of view, which is why I asked the question. I was quite alarmed to hear Minister Blair, not very many weeks ago, say this on the public record at the public safety committee.

I'm going to move on, because the other piece related—

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

You have 30 seconds.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Okay.

Statelessness and the action that governments should take, what is the remedy?

5:25 p.m.

Prof. Jamie Liew

There should be a provision of legal mechanisms to provide pathways for permanent status; ie., citizenship for stateless persons. We should be looking in detail about who is stateless and how we can provide some pathways for them and become a leader in this area of protection.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

We have a few minutes for an in camera meeting.

We are going to thank you for your presence. We have several things I want to follow up with you about, so you may hear from us again. This study will go on for a little while.

We'll suspend for a moment as we move to an in camera meeting.

[Proceedings continue in camera]