Evidence of meeting #136 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was global.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Nicolas Beuze  Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Craig Damian Smith  Associate Director, Global Migration Lab, As an Individual
Salma Zahid  Scarborough Centre, Lib.
Christina Clark-Kazak  Associate Professor, School of Public and International Affairs, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Majed El Shafie  Founder and President, One Free World International
Adiba  Representative and Volunteer, One Free World International
Ramez Ayoub  Thérèse-De Blainville, Lib.

4:35 p.m.

Professor Christina Clark-Kazak Associate Professor, School of Public and International Affairs, University of Ottawa, As an Individual

Thank you very much for having me here again to appear before this committee.

I'll give my presentation in English, but if you have any questions in French, I would be happy to answer them in French.

I am speaking today in my individual capacity, but I'm also drawing on my experience as editor-in-chief of Refuge: Canada's Journal on Refugees, as well as my role as president of the International Association for the Study of Forced Migration, IASFM.

The global compact on refugees, or GCR, is a compromise document, but it is likely the best the international community can do in the current political climate. It is also important to note that while the document builds on commitments in the 1951 UN convention on refugees as well as its 1967 protocol, many hosting states are not party to these conventions. Therefore, their commitment to the GCR will be important in establishing international baselines for refugee protection and rights.

I would like to acknowledge Canada's strong leadership throughout the GCR process and Canadian officials' proactive, regular consultations with academics and civil society. Canada is well regarded as a key player in the multilateralism that will likely result in the adoption of the GCR in mid-December. Canada should continue to provide strong support to the GCR, however imperfect, and work to redress some of its shortcomings.

I would like to recommend five areas in which Canada can demonstrate this leadership.

First, I recommend that Canada co-organize the first global refugee forum, which will be held in late 2019 or early 2020. This will be a key meeting to operationalize the GCR. While the timing is challenging, given federal elections next year, I urge multipartisan support for Canada to co-organize the global refugee forum in partnership with a country that hosts large numbers of refugees.

Proactive efforts need to be made to facilitate the participation of people most affected by forced migration, including refugees and host communities. One of the critiques of the GCR process was it did not engage enough with these perspectives. Canadian partnership with host states in the global south could redress these shortcomings through the global refugee forum.

Second, the GCR is a political statement, not a legal document. In this absence of legal accountability mechanisms, there's a need for strong monitoring and evaluation. Unlike the sustainable development goals or the United Nations declaration on human rights, both of which are political documents that have had practical implications, there are no clear indicators in the GCR.

However, the GCR references early warning, and paragraph 43 provides for the establishment of a global academic network. I have just returned from a preliminary workshop in Geneva hosted by UNHCR, and a general consensus at that meeting and of the diverse IASFM membership that I represent is that this network should draw on existing research networks, many of which are led by Canadians. We need to develop GCR-specific indicators and mechanisms for data gathering. These indicators need to be sensitive to age, gender, ability, race and many other axes of difference.

Third, “expand access to third-country solutions” is one of the four GCR objectives. Canada's private sponsorship example is widely cited as one way to do so. The Canadian government and colleagues at uOttawa's Refugee Hub are helping other countries to adopt and adapt sponsorship models in other contexts. This work should continue.

As faculty adviser to the WUSC local committees that sponsor refugee students at both York and uOttawa, I can attest to the power of private sponsorship to change lives, both of sponsors and of refugees. I recommend that the Canadian government maintain the position of additionality, and that these privately sponsored refugees are in addition to continued resettlement of government-assisted refugees.

Fourth, Canada needs to strongly uphold the fundamental rights of people in situations of forced migration, including the right to claim asylum. This is one area in which the GCR falls short. Indeed, the GCR language is too often objectification of refugees. This is exemplified, for example, by the title: “Global Compact on Refugees”. It's not a global compact for refugees. People in situations of forced migration are primarily viewed as burdens rather than as human resources. My textual analysis of the GCR shows that refugees are only cited as active agents in 1.6% of the references in the text.

This compares with 41% of references where they are represented as objects and 33% using generic adjectives, such as “refugee protection”. Only one of the four GCR objectives is refugee-specific. It cites “refugee self-reliance”, rather than thinking more holistically about how refugees contribute to their host societies.

For example, Statistics Canada reports that children of immigrants, including refugees, are more likely to go to university than their Canadian-born counterparts. Many of our leaders, including the current minister of IRCC, colleagues here in Parliament, and past governors general, came to Canada as refugees. Language matters. It has real consequences for public opinion, policy-making and public servants' discretionary decision-making at borders and within the Immigration and Refugee Board, the IRB.

The right to claim asylum predates the UN convention and the creation of Canada as a settler state. For this right to be realized, states need to allow people access to their territories to make a claim. We do not have to approve all of these claims. This is the job of the IRB. In some cases, claims are found to be unfounded and people are sent back, but people need to be able to get here to Canada to exercise this right to claim asylum.

I recommend suspending the safe third country agreement. As Ms. Kwan has already referenced here today, the U.S. is currently using tear gas against unarmed people at its borders. It has deliberately detained children away from their parents as a policy of deterrence. By any measure of safety, the U.S. is clearly not a safe third country. We need to educate average Canadians about our international legal obligations to asylum, as well as our relative place in global displacement.

As I have already mentioned here in this committee, I've worked in the refugee context in Uganda, which is a country that ranks 163rd on the human development index and is tied with Pakistan as the second-largest refugee-hosting state in the world. There in one day, poor communities were receiving the number of refugee claimants that Canada has received in one whole year. The global compact is supposed to redress these global inequities. Our internationally recognized role in the GCR process will ring hollow if we are simultaneously pursuing policies that are preventing people from exercising their right to claim asylum.

Fifth and finally—

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Okay. I need you to wind up quickly.

4:40 p.m.

Prof. Christina Clark-Kazak

—Canada could take leadership on addressing displacement, which falls outside of the global compacts, including the human caravan, which is a visible manifestation that falls between the global compact on migration and the global compact on refugees.

Thank you.

I can answer the questions in French.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

Now we're going to continue with witnesses from One Free World International.

I don't know who's going to begin, Majed or Adiba.

4:40 p.m.

Majed El Shafie Founder and President, One Free World International

I will start.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Okay. Thank you. You have seven minutes.

4:40 p.m.

Founder and President, One Free World International

Majed El Shafie

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, for inviting me. I will be speaking today mostly about the Yazidi genocide and refugee movement, especially with the 1,200 people who arrived here in Canada on the promise of the government.

One Free World International had been on the ground in Iraq and Syria since the beginning of the genocide five years ago. We now have operations as well dealing with refugees in Ukraine, and also very soon with the Rohingya. When we started operations with the Yazidis, we found the government unable to build the mechanisms on the ground, especially in dealing with internally displaced people, IDPs. They are refugees who are still in their country, so the government couldn't have a mechanism. Yes, they tried to solve this problem, but I don't think there is yet a clear mechanism.

The second problem that we found was that the government counted a lot on the UN selections. While I'm encouraging, of course, dealing with the UN—it's important—there are also local NGOs on the ground that know more about the cultures, the traditions, the languages. I think it's very important that we find a balance between the UNHCR and the local NGOs and local groups.

Moving on from there, when the refugees arrived here, One Free World International had to step in because there were many services not provided to them. I found that it was a lot harder for refugees, especially when they were survivors of sex slavery. They had mental health issues. There were no mental health services provided to the refugees. We had to build our own department, with a female psychologist who spoke the language, in order to help the girls, to heal their wounds.

Let me make it clear: These girls cannot stay in Iraq anymore. We are encouraging help for the refugees and an end to the suffering of the persecuted within the borders of their country. I don't believe that any refugees want to leave their own homes. With regard to the survivors of ISIS, because there is stigma around them in Iraq, they cannot stay in Iraq. They have to find another home for them.

When they came here to Canada, there was a problem with housing. They had no credit. They had no history of credit here in the country, so the housing was extremely problematic. Landlords didn't want to rent homes to them. There were mental health issues. Even simple tasks such as grocery shopping or taking a bus were very challenging for them. We didn't find that a proper system was waiting for them upon their arrival here in Canada to help them grow on Canadian ground.

We will hear very soon from Adiba, and I believe that Adiba will share her personal story and experience. My recommendation is that we have to build a better system, and this will be provided in the recommendations that will be presented later.

I'm done. Thank you. I would like to give the rest of my time to Adiba.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you.

Please continue.

4:45 p.m.

Adiba Representative and Volunteer, One Free World International

(Interpretation)

My name is Adiba. I am Yazidi.

In 2014 ISIL attacked the Yazidis and killed the Yazidi people. They took the women. They raped the young women. They hit the kids. They killed our brothers, our men. They took my own family: my sisters, my brother and the families of my maternal uncle and paternal uncle.

I grabbed the hands of my cousins and my brother, but until now we didn't know what happened to them. For years, we knew nothing about them.

Three thousand Yazidi girls were captured by ISIL members, and we know nothing about them to date. They get raped and beaten, and they get subjected to various forms of torture.

For me, it's been a year and a half in this country. It was very difficult for me to get into Canada, and even here in Canada my life has been very tough. They put us in a hotel. I don't know how to speak the language, the place is new for me and I don't know where to go. Everything has been so challenging for me.

I do thank the Canadian government for bringing us here, but I have not seen any services from the Canadian government yet, and no help when it comes to psychological assistance. All our requests.... We asked the Canadian government to help bring our families here, to bring more Yazidis here, and to send aid to the Yazidis in the camps. It's been a year that I have been working for One Free World International. We need to bring our families here. We are asking this of the government, and we have heard nothing about this demand.

I would like the government to bring in more Yazidis, and our parents too, and our families.

4:50 p.m.

Founder and President, One Free World International

Majed El Shafie

That's it, Mr. Chair.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

We're going to begin our questioning with Mr. Whalen, please.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank the members of One Free World International for their very powerful testimony.

In terms of the global compact on refugees and its objectives, if Canada were to sign it and live up to the objectives set forth therein, do you feel that would be a good thing?

4:50 p.m.

Founder and President, One Free World International

Majed El Shafie

I believe that everything has to be done....

I'm sorry. Are you asking me or her?

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

You, Mr. El Shafie.

4:50 p.m.

Founder and President, One Free World International

Majed El Shafie

I believe that everything has to be done in a balance. By that, I mean that Canada is an independent country. It is an independent state. It's a good thing to sign an agreement where we have an obligation. We do have an obligation, and we do fulfill many of these obligations internationally.

However, what scares me a little bit is the control by the UN or how much you are counting on the UN and how this can cause a lack of co-operation with other NGOs who can have a better understanding of the situation on the ground. Plus, they can more easily find the victims and know the best way to rescue them.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Ms. Clark-Kazak, I have the same thing for you. Would you consider the global compact on refugees a success, or at least a partial success, and should Canada ratify it? Then, in the continuation, would living up to the compact provide some additional benefit to groups that are suffering from genocide, such as the Yazidis?

4:50 p.m.

Prof. Christina Clark-Kazak

I just want to clarify that as the UNHCR representative has already said, this is not a document that we would ratify or not ratify; this is a UN resolution that would be adopted or not adopted by the UN General Assembly. Canada could choose to vote against the document, but we're not actually signing on to any kind of international legal document, just to clarify that.

That said, as I mentioned, as part of a process of dealing with situations like those of the Yazidis and others on the ground, the compact does provide for a resettlement option. Canada has stepped up in relation to other populations—such as the Syrians, for example—and I think this would be an opportunity for Canada to show leadership and say that we would be willing to resettle large numbers to Canada through the provisions of the global compact, as a general overview.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

When you say “large numbers”, what number would you be talking about?

4:50 p.m.

Prof. Christina Clark-Kazak

About the particular situation, I defer to my colleagues who are better placed to say, but Canada has in the past resettled large numbers of people from particular contexts—for example, Indochinese refugees and Syrians—so I think it would be up to negotiations to see how many would need to be resettled in order for it to make an impact on the ground.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Mr. El Shafie, how many people would come to Canada from the displaced Yazidi population and how many should Canada plan to take?

4:50 p.m.

Founder and President, One Free World International

Majed El Shafie

We're estimating that the numbers have to be increased to 4,000. When we are talking about the Yazidi situation, we are talking mostly about the victims. I don't like to call them the “victims”; they are the victors or the survivors of ISIS. It's mostly about children and women and their families who survived ISIS—they lived.

It is estimated that 7,000 of them were kidnapped by ISIS. There are 3,200 that still remain in the hands of ISIS. We believe that at least half of this number have already been killed by air strikes or by ISIS, or by being used as human shields in the conflict.

I truly believe that the numbers have to increase to 4,000 in order to make an impact on the ground.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you.

Moving on, then, to really what is the title of our study, “Migration Challenges and Opportunities for Canada in the 21st Century”, and trying to leverage the global compact on refugees for Canada to play a leadership role, Ms. Clark-Kazak, you talked about the development of metrics and the global academic network. Is there an opportunity for Canada to play a leadership role there?

4:55 p.m.

Prof. Christina Clark-Kazak

Yes, definitely. I think that the problem with the global compact is that it's this consensus document, but there's actually very little detail. There's no funding for the global academic network and there's no secretariat set up. This is an area where Canada could offer leadership, especially given the fact that Canadian academics, for better or worse, do lead a lot of the international associations on this issue.

In terms of thinking about the scholarly or research side, I think we need to try to make sure that we are able to identify those needs, as we just witnessed here, and then to be able to bring those to the international community so there can be a solution to very pressing needs.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

You did talk about co-hosting the expected forum under the global compact. I don't understand all the politics and the procedures of the UN, so maybe you'll have to educate us a bit here. If there were going to be a secretariat or some data collection agency associated with it, would this be done individually by the member states, which then would share that information through the UN, or would such a secretariat or data collection function be funded within the United Nations by the member states?

4:55 p.m.

Prof. Christina Clark-Kazak

Currently the way it's being conceived of is as an independent secretariat. The UNHCR would host that secretariat until someone else stepped up to take it over. It's supposed to be independent from the member states because there's supposed to be some kind of element of oversight, so there needs to be some independence or separation from the member states.

At the moment, there is no funding allocated for it. There would need to be a donor who would step up to do that.