Evidence of meeting #40 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ircc.

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Michael Blume  Head, Special Quota Project, State Ministry of Baden-Württemberg
Stephen Burt  Assistant Chief of Defence Intelligence, Canadian Forces Intelligence Command, Department of National Defence
Denis Vinette  Director General, International Region, Canada Border Services Agency
Catherine Parish  Director General, Security Screening, Canadian Security Intelligence Service
Emmanuelle Lamoureux  Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada
Reid Sirrs  Director General, Mission Security, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

November 22nd, 2016 / 5:05 p.m.

Emmanuelle Lamoureux Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, and honourable members of the committee.

I have been asked to speak to you today to provide some background about Canada's presence in Iraq and to briefly discuss our relationship with the governments of Iraq and of the Kurdistan region of the country. I hope this will provide some useful context for today's discussion.

I can also address the question asked by the honourable member of Parliament about the number of IDPs displaced since the beginning of the Mosul operation. The response is 70,000, according IOM statistics.

Canada is in the process of expanding its diplomatic presence in Iraq as part of the commitments in its three-year strategy to counter Daesh and respond to the crises in Syria and Iraq. Until last spring, our presence in Iraq had consisted of a political officer in Baghdad and a small complement of local employees in Baghdad and Erbil. Canada's footprint has now expanded. In Baghdad, we've added a full-time Canadian development officer, a defence attaché and assistant, and a management and consular officer, along with several local employees. In Erbil, we have a new Canadian political officer and a military police security service position.

Despite our relatively small presence, our diplomatic staff in Baghdad has regular access to the Government of Iraq and to the UN at senior levels. We've also developed good relationships with officials in the Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq and with local officials, such as governors and mayors. We expect that we will be able to deepen our existing relationships in Iraq and expand on our network of contacts as our mission continues to grow. This is particularly true in Erbil, where Canada has the smallest presence of any G7 nation, and where we have only recently created our first full-time Canadian officer positions. This new presence will be an important link to the Yazidi population for Canada, as they are mostly located in northern Iraq, and access from Baghdad requires air travel.

The Yazidis are particularly concentrated in four provinces of Iraq: the northern Nineveh province of Iraq, and the provinces of Erbil, Dohuk, and Sulaymaniyah in Iraqi Kurdistan. The two biggest communities are in Sheikhan, northeast of Mosul, and in Sinjar, which is near the Syrian border, 80 kilometres west of Mosul. Both are in Nineveh province.

Since 2014, many Yazidis have fled Sinjar, ending up in the Sheikhan area, in camps for internally displaced persons that are mainly in Dohuk province, or as refugees in other countries, such as Turkey and Greece. At present, the area around Sinjar remains off-limits to our mission staff and Government of Canada officials because of the ongoing battle against Daesh in Mosul and in the greater Nineveh province area.

While progress is being made in the campaign to retake Mosul, there are still large areas that remain under the control of Daesh, in particular to the west of the city, where Sinjar is located.

The lDP camps in Dohuk province are more accessible, and our staff can travel fairly safely when accompanied by our security services provider. Though costly, this type of travel does not present a significant threat to the safety of our mission staff, and suitable accommodation is available in Dohuk should there be a need to remain for more than a day.

We know that Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, or IRCC, is currently working on fulfilling its commitment to resettle Yazidi victims in Canada. Our mission staff will be able to provide support for this initiative should we decide to proceed with the resettlement of refugees from Iraq.

As a result of our contact with Iraqi officials and with the Yazidi community, we know there is a certain level of support for the idea of providing focused assistance to the most vulnerable among the victims of Daesh. We've also learned, through the media, about certain concerns. Our staff can ensure that Canada's resettlement program is subject to a proper consultation with all parties prior to implementation. It will be necessary to ensure this initiative receives the support of the broader community in Northern Iraq, especially at this important juncture in the fight against Daesh, when attention is turning towards mending sectarian divisions and allowing displaced populations to return to their homes.

One important consideration will be the duty of care for Canadian government staff, which is an overriding concern for Global Affairs Canada.

When the government decided to increase its operations in Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East to address the Daesh challenge to international and regional security, one of our first objectives was to gain a better understanding of the security environment and to design a security package to protect Canadians.

In March of this year, the regional security manager for the Middle East and North Africa travelled to Erbil to review potential locations for a Canadian office and to review the security environment to determine what would be required to create a secure environment for Canadian officials to work.

Two sites were identified as credible physical security environments for Canadian staff. Both sites were hotels with excellent physical security protections. Global Affairs Canada has new physical security standards, which will be implemented for the establishment of the new mission. These include perimeter protections such as walls and setbacks, interior controls for personal and vehicular access, and screening provisions.

At this point, we won't be too specific when outlining all our security measures. In addition to the physical measures, we reviewed the operational security measures. These measures range from movement protocols, to local security capacity, to access to medical facilities and reliable evacuation options.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Vous disposez de 20 secondes.

5:10 p.m.

Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

Emmanuelle Lamoureux

Our regional security manager has already met with the security representatives of other countries present in Erbil to gain a better understanding of the best practices and of how they are addressing their security concerns. We met with private security providers and with government security officials to develop a better security plan.

Thank you again for the invitation to appear before you today. My colleague can answer the other questions.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you.

Mr. Ehsassi, you have seven minutes, please.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Allow me to thank all the witnesses who have appeared before this committee today.

I have a lot of questions. I would like to start off with Mr. Burt, from the Department of National Defence.

Thank you for the statement you provided to us. You started off by saying that the situation in northern Iraq is very fluid and volatile, given that it is at the intersection of various conflicts.

One thing that caught my eye was a paragraph in which you said, “...the international community's resettlement efforts, while assisting the plight of refugees and other displaced persons, may also be used by various actors in northern Iraq to achieve their own political objectives.”

Could you explain to us the types of concerns you are relaying to us with that statement?

5:15 p.m.

Assistant Chief of Defence Intelligence, Canadian Forces Intelligence Command, Department of National Defence

Stephen Burt

I'd be happy to do that.

The statement, quite simply, relates to the fact that we have seen a number of groups within northern Iraq using or encouraging population displacements as a way to secure political and security influence over what has been previously disputed geography. We've seen this on all sides, principally by Daesh, in terms of clearing out the Yazidi and others. However, as the conflict has continued there and as various groups have asserted control over areas that weren't traditionally theirs, there have been incidents of people being moved off territory they had previously occupied.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you.

We were hearing from other witnesses earlier in the day, and there was some disagreement as to how fluid the situation is in northern Iraq. Given your expertise and your understanding of what is going on in Iraq, could you see complications delaying our efforts to bring Yazidis to Canada?

5:15 p.m.

Assistant Chief of Defence Intelligence, Canadian Forces Intelligence Command, Department of National Defence

Stephen Burt

I understand that we're still fairly preliminary in terms of what specific efforts will be made and what the operational footprint might look like. There may be issues around where it's located, what security measures are taken around it, and how you move the people you are trying to help. Moving people in and out of those sites is going to be very complex, given the overall security dynamic.

What I can say specifically about the conflict under way right now in Mosul is that while progress has been good, clearing a city the size of Mosul is an extremely complex military operation. This is likely to take some months to complete. As it progresses, as I said in my statement, we will see various groups start to look at each other with perhaps a little more hostility than they did previously when they were able to focus on Daesh. The security situation in northern Iraq, even after the fall of Mosul, could be quite complex for some time to come.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you, Mr. Burt.

Mr. Vinette, obviously the Canada Border Services Agency was intimately involved in welcoming 26,000 Syrians to Canada. Given all the expertise you have already developed, does your agency also liaise with other agencies in the world, and is there co-operation between your agencies and entities on the ground in Iraq?

5:15 p.m.

Director General, International Region, Canada Border Services Agency

Denis Vinette

I'll try to hit on a few points in relation to your question.

First and foremost, we work extensively and closely with all our domestic partners. That's where it begins for us.

Once IRCC has selected some individuals as potential refugees to Canada and we receive those referrals, we then engage with all our law enforcement and security partners to make sure we do our due diligence domestically.

For sure we work with international partners. CBSA doesn't have a presence in Iraq, but liaison officers have been deployed to Amman in Jordan, and we have one in Istanbul, Turkey. They are responsible for the geographic area.

Due to the current situation in that area, we have not deployed a representative in that country, but we do work with those state entities through the missions to make sure that whatever is required in co-operation, information, and any type of facilitation is secured as part of these undertakings, as we did for Syria, to ensure that we're able to deliver on the screening mandate as well as facilitate IRCC in reaching final determinations on selection.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you for that.

Ms. Parish, as you know, the purpose of our effort to help the Yazidi community is to send a strong message to the international community that it is imperative that other countries also step forward. In your opinion, will granting asylum to Yazidis demonstrate Canadian goodwill, and will it affect public opinion in the Middle East in a positive manner?

5:20 p.m.

Director General, Security Screening, Canadian Security Intelligence Service

Catherine Parish

I'd have to leave it to my IRCC colleagues to respond. My realm is limited to the security screening support of my colleague Denis Vinette and IRCC.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Okay. Sorry about that. It is often confusing to try to get the right official.

Is Global Affairs partnering with local organizations on the ground in Iraq, and what is the merit of that approach?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

You have 20 seconds.

5:20 p.m.

Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

Emmanuelle Lamoureux

At the moment we're not specifically partnering on this resettlement program, but we're definitely consulting not just with local government but also Yazidi leaders.

We're not necessarily part of government. The partnerships, I believe, would have to be established by our IRCC colleagues in the context of the program.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Ms. Rempel, you have seven minutes.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to start with the comment that was made in the opening remarks from Global Affairs about a decision to move forward with resettlement in Iraq. To clarify, no decision has yet been made by the government on where to focus the efforts of this particular measure. Is that correct?

5:20 p.m.

Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

Emmanuelle Lamoureux

I believe my IRCC colleagues mentioned in previous hearings that a two-phase plan was under discussion, which includes a first phase outside Iraq and a second phase inside Iraq.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Is it your understanding that the government will utilize section 25 of IRCC to assist in relocating internally displaced people as part of this measure?

5:20 p.m.

Director, Gulf States Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Sorry. I'll park that and ask IRCC the next time we get them in public.

Looking at the overall operation, the comment you made, Mr. Burt, was that the operation is very preliminary in its footprint. Have any of your departments been given a target number yet by the government in terms of how many people will be involved in this particular resettlement effort?

I will go down the row.

5:20 p.m.

Assistant Chief of Defence Intelligence, Canadian Forces Intelligence Command, Department of National Defence

Stephen Burt

They have not, to my knowledge.

5:20 p.m.

Director General, Security Screening, Canadian Security Intelligence Service

5:20 p.m.

Director General, International Region, Canada Border Services Agency

Denis Vinette

Are you talking about refugees to be resettled? No.