Evidence of meeting #98 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was board.

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Paul Aterman  Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board
Greg Kipling  Director General, Policy, Planning and Corporate Affairs Branch, Immigration and Refugee Board

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Mr. Robert Oliphant (Don Valley West, Lib.)) Liberal Rob Oliphant

Welcome, everyone.

The meeting will now begin. I see a quorum.

I first want to welcome Ms. Alleslev.

Ms. Alleslev is joining our committee.

Mr. Godin and Ms. Nassif, on their part, will be here shortly.

We welcome our guests, our witnesses from the IRB.

Thank you for coming as we commence our study on the appointment, training, and complaints processes at the IRB. It's a limited study. However, we are very glad that you're here.

Because of our late start, we'll play it by ear. We'll still end our meeting at one o'clock today. It's a busy day on the Hill today. I will test the pulse of the group at the end of the committee. My suspicion is that you will want to have the full two-hour meeting with the officials, so we will invite them to come back. However, if the committee is satisfied with a question at the end, we may not need to do that. I'm just giving our witnesses a heads-up that they might be back.

Thank you for coming.

We'll begin with a 10-minute statement.

11:40 a.m.

Paul Aterman Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Thank you.

My name is Paul Aterman. Since January of this year, I have been the acting chairperson of the Immigration and Refugee Board.

Last year, the four divisions of the board—the refugee protection division or RPD, the refugee appeal division or RAD, the immigration division, and the immigration appeal division—made a total of 43,153 decisions. Those decisions were rendered by the IRB's 224 members. Those members, whether they're appointed by the Governor in Council, in the case of the IAD or the RAD, or hired as public servants, as is the case for the RPD and the immigration division, are expected to behave professionally, fairly, and with integrity.

I'd like to emphasize that their job is not an easy one; it is stressful. The pressure to produce fair decisions quickly is unrelenting for all four divisions. On the refugee side, that pressure is only growing. This year we received 47,000 refugee claims, more than double what we received last year.

Most of the decisions that these members make can have life-altering consequences for the people who are at the centre of those cases. Members need to know the law inside out. They have to demonstrate sensitivity, empathy, stamina, and self-control. I can tell you that the vast majority of the members at the board conduct themselves with the utmost professionalism. That said, as part of a broader and ongoing effort to make the board more accountable, in 2017 we revised our member complaints procedure.

Before I elaborate on the changes to that process, let me first address the board's recruitment, selection, training, and performance management programs.

There is a rigorous selection process in place for members. Candidates are first evaluated based on their experience. Their skills as adjudicators are assessed through a written exam, an interview, a reference check and a security clearance validation.

As an example, in a competition for members of the Refugee Protection Division, the RPD, in 2015, 484 candidates applied and only 51 of them, or 10%, qualified for appointment.

All new members must undergo a period of in-depth training—including full training on substantive issues and on effective communication with stakeholders—before they can rule on cases.

Part of the training can vary by division depending on specific issues covered in the cases heard. Other parts of the training are common to all the divisions. For instance, members receive training to raise their awareness of problems faced by the members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

All members, both new and experienced, regularly participate in professional development workshops to keep abreast of the important and relevant issues, including updates on federal court cases.

In addition to the training that they receive as members to do their jobs, all members are required to take certain training, training that is mandatory for all board employees, for example, training on values and ethics, and on the creation of a respectful and harassment-free workplace.

I'd like to now turn to the oversight of member conduct. The board has a detailed code of conduct and it applies to all members. In other words, all members need to adhere to the principles of good faith, fairness, accountability, dignity, respect, transparency, openness, discretion, cultural sensitivity, and loyalty to the organization. We monitor compliance with the code as part of a member's annual performance appraisal.

When we conduct performance appraisals, managers will often observe hearings or they will conduct an ad hoc review of the audio recording of a hearing that a member has done. They do this, amongst other reasons, in order to assess how members treat the people who appear before them. They also read decisions issued by members, and again, one of the reasons that they do this is to ensure that the decisions are clear and accessible, and that they're also respectful to the parties who presented their case. Managers also look at statistical indicators of performance, such as the number of cases that were finalized and how quickly they were done.

In assessing the performance of members, the board has to respect their decision-making independence. In other words, nobody at the board will tell a member how to decide in an individual case. That would be contrary to the law. At any point, if a person feels that a member has not respected the code of conduct in the way in which they managed the case, that person can file a complaint under the board's complaints process.

I'd like to stress that the purpose of the code of conduct is to set standards for how a member conducts him or herself. The code and the complaints process are not there to deal with what the member decided, in other words, whether the decision was right or wrong in law. That's a matter for the Federal Court to decide, not for the board.

Now, stakeholders have criticized the complaints process. They've said that the process lacked transparency, was too complicated, it didn't provide for enough oversight, and it was difficult to access. The board agreed that there was a need to improve the process. In 2016, the previous chair, Mario Dion, now the Ethics Commissioner, decided to review our existing complaints mechanism. In 2017, we consulted with stakeholders. We sought their input. Some of that input is reflected in a revised member complaints procedure that was developed to ensure a more centralized, simple, objective, and accessible process. That process has been in place for two months now. It came into effect in December of 2017.

With regard to what has changed, first, the complaints process is centralized in the IRB's Office of Integrity rather than dealing with complaints in each of the regional offices. The purpose behind that is to ensure greater consistency in how complaints are dealt with.

Second, it's a much simpler process. The complaints go directly to the director of integrity. The director of integrity reports directly to the chairperson. The management of complaints is no longer diffused and delegated to regional managers, and there are no longer multiple levels of review. Responsibility for complaints resides immediately with the chairperson, and it's the chairperson who decides on all complaints.

Third, the Office of Integrity, which is the investigative arm of the chairperson, is independent from the divisions. The director of integrity investigates the allegations and the complaint and prepares a report. The report contains findings of fact, analysis, and suggested conclusions. The report goes directly to the chair. The chair decides whether or not to accept those conclusions, and decides whether or not there was a breach of the code. The chair also has the discretion to have a qualified outside party investigate a complaint in exceptional circumstances.

Fourth, this process is now much more accessible and transparent. Anybody, whether they are a participant in the hearing room or not, can file a complaint against a member where they believe there has been a breach of the code. To that end, we've made the complaint form much more easy to access on our website. We've taken such measures as asking CBSA to post information in immigration detention centres and jails, so people who are detained under the act also know what their rights are under the complaints process.

Fifth, the process requires the chairperson to provide the member, the complainant, and the member's manager with detailed reasons as to why a complaint is founded or not.

Sixth, the public reporting on the process will be more transparent. The Office of Integrity will post an annual report on the board's website. It will be sufficiently detailed to list all the complaints and their outcomes, in such a manner that the reader can look at the report and understand the issue, the complaint, and what the board did about it. That's as opposed to simply saying whether the complaint was founded or not founded.

In order to protect privacy, the report will omit any information that could identify specific individuals. As part of our regular monitoring and evaluation of our policies, we will undertake a review of the complaints process after a full year of its implementation. I'd like to emphasize that it's not a review which will be conducted by the board. We will go outside the organization to hire a third party who has expertise in administrative law and how tribunals work in order to obtain that evaluation.

I can indicate that the board would be happy to return here in 2019 to report on that. My view is that this new process will allow the board to deal more transparently and more effectively with complaints under the code.

Thank you. I'd welcome your questions.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Thank you very much.

We begin the first round with Mr. Whalen for seven minutes.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

With respect to the complaints process instituted in 2017, what process did you go through to develop that complaints procedure?

11:50 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

I can turn to Greg Kipling to supplement what I'm going to tell you. We have a standing stakeholder table, consisting of the principal stakeholders of the board, including the Canadian Bar Association; the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers; the Refugee Lawyers Association, which is in Toronto; AQAADI, the Quebec immigration lawyers association; CAPIC, the organization representing immigration consultants; and CCR, the Canadian Council for Refugees. I believe Legal Aid Ontario may have been consulted on this as well. Whenever we do any policy, we go out to those stakeholders.

As far as I'm aware, we also looked at other complaint systems to see how we would amend the process.

Do you want to supplement that?

11:50 a.m.

Greg Kipling Director General, Policy, Planning and Corporate Affairs Branch, Immigration and Refugee Board

Yes. I would just add that we received a lot of feedback from our stakeholders. They were very much engaged in the process, in having the best possible complaints procedure. We took on board many of their comments. Not all of them, but I would say most of them we were able to take on and integrate into the new procedure.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Is there anything in particular that you said you did not incorporate that the committee here should be aware of, something that was contentious? You said you didn't adopt all the recommendations, so is there anything in particular that we should be aware of?

11:50 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

They took the position that all the complaints needed to be dealt with by someone outside of the organization, an independent third party. We have a director of integrity. The Office of Integrity has been in place since the beginning of 2016. That office deals with complaints to do with harassment that is not necessarily specific to board members—it can be any employee—values and ethics issues, conflict of interest issues.

The person who occupies that function, as I indicated, reports directly to the chair. That person is really at arm's length from the rest of the management team. In fact, the individual who occupies that position leads a somewhat lonely life because he's not invited to management meetings. He's not part of the regular management team. The reason we do that is to keep him insulated from everyone else so that he's not co-opted and he brings an independent perspective to these matters. In our view, that was an appropriate way to address the whole question of having someone at arm's length do it.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

In any event, the reports that come out of complaints are written reports that people can examine, although people's names are kept confidential. They're open for scrutiny, so they're transparent in that respect, even if they're not 100% independent.

11:50 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

It's the reasons that are open to the parties—the complainant and the member and the member's manager. What will actually happen when we're instituting this process is that the chairperson will get a report. The investigation report will form the basis of the chair's decision, and then the chair will issue a set of reasons that say, “Allegation number one: this is what was alleged. These are the findings that I'm making. This is or is not a breach of the code. Allegation number two:...”, and so on and so forth.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Mr. Aterman, our study was really instituted by some fairly high-profile media complaints regarding actions and decisions and conduct of members of I guess it's the refugee protection division—

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

At that time, yes.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

How were those members at the time, the people who were sitting, appointed to the board? Did they go through the same selection, experience, examination, interviews, security clearance process that is currently in place, or did they go through a different process?

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

Each government has changed the process slightly when it comes to the appointment of GICs. In one instance, we were talking about somebody who was appointed as a governor-in-council appointee. In the other instance it was somebody hired under the Public Service Employment Act. The first two divisions, the initial divisions of the board, the refugee protection division and the immigration division, those are public servants appointed under the Public Service Employment Act. The GICs and the public...they're different regimes.

February 27th, 2018 / 11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

That's one of the differences. At least with respect to one of the individuals the media reports were about. They were appointed under a different process from what now exists. They were Governor in Council appointments, whereas now, those are regular civil service job applications.

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

That was for the refugee protection division. In one instance, where it involved the GIC, the process at the time was not much different from what we have now. There are some differences in the composition of the selection panel, and the test has been beefed up, but by and large, the fundamentals are the same. You apply. Your application is screened on paper to see whether you meet the experience criteria. You're invited to write a test. If you pass the test, you'll be invited to an interview. Then they do the security screening.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

With respect to the current complaints process, does it apply to complaints that existed prior to the process coming into force? If someone had a formalized complaint—

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

What would be the process for complaints that related to decisions that were made prior to December, 2017?

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

Typically, what would happen is that a complainant—and it would either be an individual or that individual's counsel—would write to the board, raising a concern in writing. The matter would be referred to the member's immediate manager in the region. The manager would look into the complaint, conduct an investigation, make a determination, and if the person who complained didn't like that outcome, they would request a review by the deputy chairperson. If they didn't like the deputy chairperson's decision, they would request a review by the chairperson.

It was a very layered process. It was diffuse in the sense that there was inconsistency between regions in the way that the complaints were managed. I think, with the benefit of hindsight, that was when the person doing the investigating was a little too close to the person being investigated.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I need you to end there. Sorry. Thank you, Mr. Aterman.

Mr. Maguire.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

I want to thank you for your presentation, Mr. Aterman.

I just have a few questions. The IRB's website says that four complaints against the conduct of the IRB board members in 2016-17, I think, remained unresolved at the end of that reporting period. Can you explain just what the nature of those complaints might be?

11:55 a.m.

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board

Paul Aterman

I wouldn't be able to tell you what the four unresolved ones are. Typically, if they're unresolved it means that the process of investigating may have started late in the year, and then carried over into the following year; in other words, they've not been completed yet. That's usually what happens when they're not resolved.

Sometimes, however, the process can be long, and here is why. If the complaint is laid in the middle of a hearing, typically, we won't advise the member of that. This is true of both the old process and the new process. They won't be apprised of the fact that a complaint has been made against them until after they have concluded the case. The reason we do that is because we don't want the adjudicative process to be distorted by someone trying to put pressure on the member by bringing a complaint forward.

It can go through the refugee protection division, for example, and then it can go to the refugee appeal division. It's only when the board has completed its adjudicative tasks that we will then look at the complaint.

There are some exceptions where we would actually advise the member in the middle of the process and take steps. We have done this. It depends on the gravity of the complaint, but the large majority are ones where we would wait for the process to exhaust itself.

Noon

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

So at the end of 2016-17, there were four outstanding complaints. Is that correct?

Noon

Acting Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board