Evidence of meeting #122 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was music.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-François Cormier  President, Audio Cine Films Inc.
Hugo Desrosiers  Vice-President, Audio Cine Films Inc.
Francis Schiller  First Director, Public Interests Research and Communications Inc., Border Broadcasters, Inc.
Graham Henderson  President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada
Elliott Anderson  Director, Public Policy and Communications, National, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)
Laurie McAllister  Director, Performers' Rights Society and Recording Artists' Collecting Society, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Then with respect to radio, you're saying everybody has been given this great exemption, “Listen, the first $1.25 million of income you got from advertising you don't need to pay any royalties on that.”

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Right. We're saying, “Start paying.”

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

That's for both sides in that case.

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Director, Performers' Rights Society and Recording Artists' Collecting Society, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

Laurie McAllister

No. That's only for performers and label.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

It's just for performers and label.

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Director, Performers' Rights Society and Recording Artists' Collecting Society, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

Laurie McAllister

Again, performers and labels are the ones that are subject—

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

The exemption of the $1.25 million is just the performers and the label as well.

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Director, Performers' Rights Society and Recording Artists' Collecting Society, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Even in that case the writer and the publisher are still covered.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Do you know why they would have thought this idea up?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

It's because the right that belongs to the performer and the label was a new right that was created in 1997 by the Government of Canada. It's called the neighbouring rights. They created that new right to address this problem.

The example I give is my wife's in a band called Cowboy Junkies and she sang a very famous version of Lou Reed's song Sweet Jane. The problem was that Lou got paid all the money for Margo's version. Margo didn't get a nickel because she had no right in that performance.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

As a solution, what you would like us to do is, first of all, we have the radio, $1.25 million, so that would take that off, but even if that was taken away, it still would not be fair to the performer on the radio or it would then?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

It would then. If we get rid of the exception—

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

That fixes everything for radio.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Now, if we come to television and film, you're saying that there is this non-capture for payment—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—to the artist and the artist's—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

The performer and the label.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Okay, so those two things are—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Thank you.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

You're welcome.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

You have one minute left.