Evidence of meeting #8 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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4:55 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll wrap the questions together so that Minister Duncan can use most of her time. I'll make them quick, without a bunch of stuff to add to the importance of it.

On the new scientist situation with regard to muzzling, has there been an internal directive to make sure there is support and understanding that they can speak?

Regarding the new chief science officer, I know there was no money in the estimates for that and I just wonder whether this is going to be created through legislation, to ensure the independence of the new science officer.

Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Thank you, Brian, and as always it's a pleasure to work with you.

Let me start with the unmuzzling. As I mentioned earlier, in our first announcement as a government, my colleague here reinstated the long-form census because we want a government that's based on evidence, fact, and science, so that we can make good policy decisions.

The next announcement was to unmuzzle our scientists, again by my colleague, just two days after being sworn in. This is a really important issue to us. Scientists are free to speak in an official capacity where they have direct responsibility and expertise, and on scientific and technical matters related to their work. That was announced on November 6. There has been no change.

I'll give you an example. On November 23 we had two scientists briefing the Prime Minister and the premiers on climate change, which really speaks to the openness.

You've also mentioned the chief science officer. As I said, we are right at the beginning of that analysis so I'm not going to preclude it. You mentioned that there is no money in the budget. At some point we will be opening up a search for the chief science officer and it will be open across Canada and we will get the funding then.

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Thank you very much.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Okay, this ends round one.

We will proceed to round two, where we'll again have four questions at seven minutes, followed by four questions at five minutes.

We will start with Ms. Mendès. You have seven minutes.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

My questions go to Minister Chagger. So she will have the opportunity to speak.

On several occasions, the government has announced, that commitments to improve conditions for women and indigenous people are a major part of the government's mandate. It has put a lot of emphasis on this. I believe that small and medium-sized businesses are often a way for women and more marginalized members of society to succeed, to aspire to economic success.

Could you tell us a little about what you see being part of your mandate to improve economic access for women and indigenous people through small business?

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Thank you for that question.

I will answer in English because we do not have a lot of time. If we had more time, I could try to answer in French. Perhaps next time.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Full marks for your efforts.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

To be quick and to maximize the time, part of the mandate is to go into under-represented groups. It is something that our nation is not doing well. When it comes to the potential of our nation, I think when it comes to young people, women, first nations and aboriginal people that's who we need to tap into.

The first, and I would say the overlying issue for our business owners, our entrepreneurs is that we need to make it easier for them to do business. That's what we refer to as the red tape or the administrative burden. That's something we need to reduce and we need to do a better job at. We need to increase access. That's one point, I would say.

When it comes to the programs and services that the government offers, what I'm finding as I travel across the nation is that oftentimes by the time they find out about programs and services it's too late. They've already had to face many challenges and difficulties. That is something I would like to see us do better, allow Canadians to know what programs and services are available.

Something that excites me is the RDAs, the regional development agencies, coming under one portfolio so that we're sharing best practices. Then we can allow ourselves the opportunity to share best practices as to what's working. What I'm finding is that there are certain regions that are better at communicating than others, and this is an obstacle that we'd like to see overcome.

I work closely with Futurpreneur. Futurpreneur is reaching out to our youth. Forty per cent of their clients, if I may, are women. We're learning from them. They want to do more. They're ready for the challenge, and I'm excited to see that kind of impact.

I am communicating closely with them as to how they are engaging those groups and what challenges they are facing. For every round table or every community I visit, one thing I ask for is always to do a round table with women entrepreneurs. Not only do I meet with our, I would say routine stakeholders who have always interacted with government, but I also try to make a point of tapping into people within that community and utilizing the resources of the department to ensure that there are many people around that table who have never been invited before, so that we can see where some of those challenges are.

You will see when it comes to the programs and the way that we're communicating, we're allowing those inclusive values to be shared. Something that this government has done very well is that our cabinet has gender parity. There has been this huge opportunity to empower women like we've not seen in a long time. The Prime Minister has taken a great leadership role as well to ensure that the role of a woman is actually within the workforce. They are job creators and we want to empower them.

There are other challenges that all people face. We're providing the ability to allow all Canadians to know that we need to work together and we need to collaborate to overcome those obstacles.

When it comes to women, I make a conscious effort to reach out to them. Just like Minister Bains and Minister Duncan, my door is open, and we are available to hear that constructive feedback. We've received a lot of constructive feedback. That's something I find when it comes to women especially, not to sound so biased. It's constructive feedback as to how we can make it easier and what is coming in the way. That's one step as well.

Then, on first nations and aboriginal communities, I feel that being given this role it's important for me to take that first step to reach out into those communities so that we are present. The government of the day cannot wait for Canadians to come to us with their concerns. I would like to see us take more of a proactive approach, and that's the style that I'm trying to go ahead with.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

That was an excellent answer to one part of the question.

In terms of the Canada Economic Development Agency for Quebec Regions, which clearly is the region I know the best, would there be a way for it to provide loan guarantees for women and indigenous people? For people in those communities starting out in business who have no experience in the area, could we look at specific support and loan guarantee programs? I am not talking about grants, but loan guarantees, so that people like that can gain a little confidence as they get into business. I often see that as a problem for groups of women, especially women in those communities. It particularly affects them.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

That is an excellent question. I will be quick. Sometimes I talk too fast, so you let me know.

My Canada includes Quebec. My Canada is a bilingual nation. That is why I love the fact that I speak French. One thing that my father was committed to when I was younger was that we would go to immersion school, and that meant going to a different school.

When it comes to programs and services, I would like to highlight the Canada Business Network. The Canada Business Network is a website that provides entrepreneurs with the resources and information they need about grants and programs. It is quite friendly to use. I have interacted with it myself. Do I see opportunities for improvement? Yes, but it is a great tool.

BizPal is another phenomenal tool that I am realizing is not well known. It is something that allows our nation to come together. We work with provinces, territories, and municipalities. You can say where you are coming from, and it lists every single regulation and permit that's needed, regardless of where you live in the nation.

I was in Vancouver not too long ago and we had our first first nation join BizPal. That was an exciting announcement because we know that's where the growth will occur.

I look forward to continuing that answer after. Thank you.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you very much.

At this point we are about halfway through, so I am going to suspend for 10 minutes for a health break. The cameras and the TV will be off. Let's make it quick, 10 minutes.

Thank you.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Welcome back, everybody. Now that we've had a nice health break, we are going to continue with this round of questioning.

Mr. Nuttall, you have seven minutes.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Right off the hop, Mr. Chair—and I'm going to respect your decision. I don't want this committee to break down into some sort of circus, but I want to state that the standing order moved by the Liberal members of this committee and approved by the Liberal members of this committee without opposition support says:

That forty-eight (48) hours' notice shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the Committee, unless the motion relates directly to business then under consideration....

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Mr. Nuttall—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

—and, therefore, Mr. Chair—

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Actually you said you weren't challenging....

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

—it is my belief—

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Are you challenging my ruling?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

I already said no, I'm not going to, but I do want the minutes to reflect that the standing orders of this committee allowed for that motion to continue, and I assumed that the—

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

I have ruled that it was a substantive motion.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Mr. Chair, I believe I have the floor.

I will continue with what we are here to do, but I look forward to this committee's finally dealing with and moving on the Bombardier matter.

If I could, Mr. Bains, the last statement you made was that the committees are responsible for their own future, that they have their own independence. While I respect that, I would also remind you that at one point you were not invited to this committee, and it required your public intervention to be invited. Therefore, I would say that, based on that, there is evidence that your colleagues look for your cue, your leadership on the matter, since between a Friday and a Monday all members of the committee from your party decided to flip-flop the other way and invite you, based on your words publicly in the paper.

Therefore, Mr. Minister, if we were to conduct a study on Bombardier, would you ignore it?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Navdeep Bains Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

Thank you very much, Chair.

I heard that this committee was a bit entertaining.

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

I don't find it entertaining, Mr. Minister.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Navdeep Bains Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

I don't say that lightly, because I respect procedure, I respect this committee, and I respect my colleagues. First and foremost, I hold all members of this committee in high regard, both government members and opposition members. Secondly, with the chair and the clerk there is a certain process in place and I'm confident that the process has existed for a very long period of time to deal with the matters that you just addressed.

I also want to take this opportunity to say that you have three ministers before you for three hours, which is unprecedented, and this speaks to our government's commitment to being open and transparent. We welcome the opportunity to have an—