Evidence of meeting #41 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was electricity.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dany Bonapace  As an Individual
François Giroux  Consultant, Development of Innovative Transport Solutions, As an Individual
Mark Carney  Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.
Francis Bradley  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Electricity Association
Eric Choi  Director, Business Development, GHGSat Inc.
Danial Hadizadeh  President and Chief Executive Officer, Mitrex: Integrated Solar Technology

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

I understand the veto of the northern gateway pipeline—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Do you support it?

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

—given both environmental and commercial reasons.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Do you support it?

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

I think it's sensible.

I wasn't involved in the decision, but I think it's the right decision.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Yet, your company has invested billions of dollars in oil companies in both Brazil and the UAE to buy pipelines. You bought billions of dollars of pipelines as a company in the last five years.

Do you support those investments?

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

Mr. Poilievre, there is a global energy system, and one of the issues.... I'm trying to explain a bit how the economy works.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Thank you so much.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

Well, it may help.

One of the issues for this committee in thinking about a sustainable transition is—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Do you support it?

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

—where Canada's role is in those as energy transitions from fossil fuels to renewables.

Different jurisdictions and different geography matter. This is a fundamental point.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I'm sorry, but you've exceeded the time.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

You're finally getting to a point that is relevant to this committee's inquiry, which is what is the transition—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

What you're saying is that you oppose pipelines in Canada but you support them in the UAE and in Brazil. That's what you've actually said.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

There are specific pipelines—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

That's your double standard.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

It is not a double standard.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

It is a double standard.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

No, it's not.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

You make billions of dollars off foreign pipelines and you shut them down here at home, putting our people out of work.

12:35 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

Mr. Poilievre, I would remind you that you are a representative of the Canadian people. One of your responsibilities, including at this committee—

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

One of them is to fight for Canadian jobs, not foreign jobs, like you are.

12:40 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

Exactly. It's to fight for Canadian jobs, and the types of Canadian jobs that are durable and are going to move forward.

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Right.

12:40 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Brookfield Asset Management Inc.

Mark Carney

I grew up in Alberta. I know the innovative nature of that energy industry.