Evidence of meeting #47 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was airports.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andy Gibbons  Director, Government Relations, WestJet Airlines Ltd.
Mike Darch  President, Consider Canada City Alliance
James Cherry  President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal
Jerry Staples  Vice-President, Air Service, Marketing and Development, Halifax International Airport Authority

February 23rd, 2015 / 4:30 p.m.

James Cherry President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Members of the committee, on behalf of Aéroports de Montréal I want to thank you for the opportunity to discuss Canada's international trade plan and air transport agreements.

Appropriate bilateral air transport agreements are of considerable importance, and not just to airlines and airports but to all Canadians. This is because they help to create economic opportunities and ensure our competitiveness in an increasingly globalized environment. By facilitating air access to new markets, both for products and for people, they have a direct impact on trade, commerce, tourism, and jobs.

Because they provide opportunities for Canadian airlines and airports to grow and compete internationally, I think it's fair to say that our industry generally favours the government's efforts to seek further liberalization in this area under its blue sky policy.

You have already heard from several industry representatives in this regard, so my comments will focus on Aéroports de Montréal's specific views and concerns.

ADM is the local airport authority responsible for the management, operation, and development of Montréal-Pierre Elliot Trudeau and Montréal-Mirabel international airports under the terms of a long-term lease signed with Transport Canada in 1992. A very important aspect of our mission is to contribute to the economic growth of our local communities. As such, we have undertaken to develop our two airport complexes to their full potential based on their respective strengths and our three main business focuses: passenger traffic, cargo, and industrial development.

Airports such as Montreal-Trudeau and Mirabel provide essential infrastructure to support regional, social, and economic growth. That is why it's so important to have appropriate conditions in place, such as bilateral air arrangements, to allow them to thrive and fulfill their important role in air transportation.

The opening up of air access between Canada and many regions of the world that has occurred over the past decade has clearly benefited our airports, but there are still several issues that are impeding our growth.

Traffic at Montreal-Trudeau, which totalled more than 14.8 million passengers in 2014, has been growing almost continuously since 2004, averaging 4.6% per year, placing us third or fourth among Canadian airports. Over the past decade we have been able to increase the number of international destinations served by direct flights to 75 from 30. Today we rank second among Canadian airports in terms of international traffic and number of international destinations.

We recognize that Montreal-Trudeau will not likely be a major global air transportation hub in the near future due to the relative size of our market and local economy. In addition, the proximity of well-established major hubs in Toronto and New York is a further impediment. Nevertheless, our aim is to be an active, secondary hub between North America and Europe, and especially French-speaking countries. We're also targeting specific destinations in other areas where there is sufficient or growing demand.

Accordingly, we have a dedicated team fully committed to developing our network to the greatest extent by attracting new carriers and launching new connections. We've made considerable headway, with some 30 different carriers flying to over 130 destinations around the globe. But there is still the perception among certain groups that Montreal is underserved. However, a recent study commissioned by ADM on our air service compared with other North American cities of similar size shows that Montreal ranks fairly well.

Our airlines have recently added or expanded service to a number of destinations, facilitated in some cases by new bilateral air agreements. Last year we welcomed two new carriers that are part of the Star Alliance: Turkish Airlines to Istanbul and Copa Airlines to Panama City. We also welcomed a small independent carrier, Syphax, to service Tunis in North Africa. These three new carriers are able to come to Montreal thanks to the liberalization of air transport agreements for these countries. We'd like to thank the Government of Canada for making it possible. With their large networks, they will significantly improve Montreal's connections to several regions of the world, including Eastern Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia, and Latin America.

For a number of years we have been working hard to establish a direct connection to Beijing in order to access the vast Chinese market. A major development occurred last November when Air Canada and Air China signed a memorandum of understanding aimed at increasing air service between our two countries. As a result, and thanks to the existing air transport agreement, we now expect the inaugural flight to take place sometime between June and September of this year.

In some cases, relatively low passenger traffic for some destinations is an impediment. We hope that the advent of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, with its smaller capacity, very long range, and economical operating cost, will increase the viability of serving some distant destinations.

Continued air transportation liberalization will assist us in our growth efforts. Non-major hubs, such as Montreal-Trudeau, have more to gain, since when rights are limited, carriers tend to favour major hubs, such as Toronto Pearson. However, we believe that liberalization should not be pursued at any cost. It is in Canada's interest to ensure that there is adequate reciprocity offered by the other country and that the rules are applied fairly and equitably. Generally speaking, we feel bilateral air arrangements should be approached much like free trade negotiations, where the broader economic interests of both countries are taken into account, and where such factors as mutual benefits and a willingness to reciprocate are emphasized.

This has not always been the case, as demonstrated by the rise of certain Gulf carriers in recent years and the emergence of major Middle Eastern hubs, to the detriment of airports elsewhere in the world. Some Gulf carriers, such as Emirates, have been criticized for taking advantage of unfair government subsidies and overly generous air agreements offered by some countries to significantly expand their market position. This has facilitated the establishment of major international air hubs in the region, which are taking away business from hubs in Europe and North America, with little to offer in return. We're particularly concerned about this because it could serve to significantly erode European destinations that are critical to the services we offer in Montreal.

This situation is resulting in an uneven playing field and provides a cautionary tale for granting unlimited air service access under open skies policies, at least in certain cases. That being said, we enjoy an excellent relationship with Qatar Airways,currently serving Doha three times a week. It offers high-quality service and a first-class network.

Again, I believe an open skies approach is appropriate when it's part of a broader free trade arrangement. It is then part of a wider arrangement that offers true benefits for both countries, encompassing commerce, trade, and labour, to name a few, and not simply air market access. However, we don't always need an open skies agreement. Allow me to suggest that it would be advisable in some cases to proceed in steps, initially with three flights a week, then four, and eventually seven flights, which offer the desirable threshold in terms of service profitability. It may not always be clear whether providing certain carriers with unlimited access to Canada will provide reciprocal benefits.

ln other cases, there is justification for freer air trade agreements, and these would certainly benefit secondary hubs, such as Montreal-Trudeau. An example could be with Turkey, which is a destination of considerable interest for Canadians, not just for tourism but also for business. We are currently limited to three flights a week to Istanbul, and there is certainly room for added frequency between Montreal and Turkey.

The same is true for Panama. Last year, Copa began serving the Montreal-Panama market with four flights a week, after several years of negotiations over air rights. Panama is a growing and highly desirable destination in itself, but the Montreal-Panama route also dramatically improves our connectivity throughout Latin America, given Copa's highly developed network in this region.

Further liberalization could also be desirable for certain destinations or countries that are not currently served by Air Canada or other Canadian carriers, such as Algeria, or where a Canadian carrier has shown an interest in expanding its service. ln addition, one could argue that destinations such as Japan, Singapore, and Russia, while quite distant, may be needlessly limited in terms of air rights.

As the government considers further air agreement liberalization, we urge it to take these factors into consideration and ensure a level playing field. Fairness, equity, mutual benefits, and reciprocity should be stressed in every case, so that Canada and Canadians can truly emerge as winners.

While we're addressing the impediments to building traffic to and through our airports, we would be remiss in not discussing the constraints in traffic growth imposed by the treatment of visas. We are long overdue for a substantial revision of our policies and processes regarding the issuance of visas.

ln conclusion, I'd like to call on the government once again to review and lighten Canada's aviation tax regime, which is among the highest of any nation in the developed world, and it is negatively affecting our global competitiveness.

The rent paid by airports to the federal government since our system was transferred to a not-for-profit administrator such as ADM exceeds the book value of the assets at the time of transfer yet rent continues to be imposed on airports at over $300 million a year. We believe we are being unfairly used as a cash cow.

At the same time, our customers face security charges, fuel excise taxes, sales taxes, border service cost recovery fees, and airport improvement fees that place us at a distinct disadvantage, especially to subsidized U.S. border airports. This is reflected by the huge number of Canadians travelling to U.S. border airports to catch a flight.

We need a level playing field in this regard for our airports to thrive and deliver our full share of economic benefits to Canadians.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity, and I look forward to addressing your questions.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Chrystia Freeland

Thank you very much for that testimony, Mr. Cherry.

Now we will hear from Mr. Jerry Staples of the Halifax International Airport Authority.

4:40 p.m.

Jerry Staples Vice-President, Air Service, Marketing and Development, Halifax International Airport Authority

Thank you, Madame Chair, and members of the committee, for this opportunity.

Joyce Carter, president and CEO of Halifax International Airport Authority, sends her regrets and asked that I appear on her behalf.

The Halifax Stanfield International Airport is the largest passenger and cargo airport in Atlantic Canada, and the most eastern airport in Canada with a continental link to North America. We punch well above our weight by processing over 3.6 million passengers in a 1.2 million finite catchment area.

Air policy liberalization is fundamental to future growth and the success of the global markets action plan. As a member of the Canadian Airports Council, we support their recent comprehensive submission regarding the CTA review process. An overall theme throughout the CAC submission that HIAA, which is Halifax International Airport Authority, is especially focused on is the ability for the policy and process changes to occur in an aligned, timely, and proactive manner.

Airports are major economic generators for their regions. Based on a 2013 economic impact study, the Halifax Stanfield International Airport contributed $1.29 billion to the Nova Scotia economy and provided 13,000 plus full-time equivalent jobs, with wages and salaries in excess of $544 million. Policy and process decisions that limit or adversely affect growth in travel, trade, and tourism will impact not only individual airports but also the regional economies, and ultimately the national economy.

The CAC submission presents a clear vision for Canadian airports in 2040. HIAA believes that there are elements of this vision that can be realized sooner rather than later.

Global connectivity can be enhanced by expanding the current CAN+, transit without visa, China transit, and transfer departure facility programs. Oftentimes, these programs are mired in lengthy pilot projects at larger Canadian airports, which results in other airports lagging behind. More proactive countries have enhanced their overall air access thus capturing the lucrative tourist and business air travellers and providing more opportunities for trade and economic development to benefit their regions and citizens.

ln addition, further liberalization of air service policy will enhance Canada's global position as an economic leader with expanded business and tourism market opportunities and increased consumer choice.

The Canadian government needs to keep moving ahead with the blue sky policy and the Canada-EU Comprehensive Air Transport Agreement. Doing so will help ensure that foreign carriers have the ability to add direct service or transit through Canadian airports, which will provide more seats to and from all regions of Canada, and additional cargo capacity, thus providing consumers with choice while also benefiting multiple sectors of the Canadian economy, including tourism, business to business, and trade and export opportunities. This, in turn, helps sustain the viability of medium and small Canadian airports as it opens new service and/or transit opportunities, while also solidifying their position as strong links from regional communities to larger Canadian hub airports.

Halifax and Atlantic Canada are benefiting from free trade and blue sky-type air transport agreements. A case in point is that Korean Airlines now flies a weekly dedicated freighter through Halifax providing upwards of 100 tonnes of lift for live lobster to South Korea, and beyond to China. lt is important to note that the demand for Atlantic Canadian lobster in China has resulted in a 420% increase over the last five years.

The comprehensive economic and trade agreement, CETA, also positions Cargojet, the only all-Canadian dedicated cargo operator, alongside Air Canada and WestJet, as they expand their wide-body passenger operations to grow Canadian exports of high value and perishable goods to European consumers, and beyond to other markets.

Respecting time, I will close by pointing out that multiple sectors benefit by growing non-stop passenger and cargo air access to communities in all regions of this great country; sectors like tourism, trade, agriculture, fisheries, and immigration.

Canadian carriers have demonstrated and proven that they can compete, and have benefited by doing so internationally. The Canadian public and business will also benefit from increased consumer choice by having access to new markets and lower price points. ln closing, HIAA is a dedicated partner working closely with airlines, government, tourism associations, business associations, and the community at the regional and national levels to enhance air gateway activity in Canada and to broaden our global markets.

Madame Chair and members of the committee, thank you again for this opportunity.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Chrystia Freeland

Thank you very much, Mr. Staples.

We will now move to questions. We are going to start with Ms. Liu, who has seven minutes.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I would like to direct my first questions to Mr. Cherry. You recommend to committee that we recommend the government lighten the aviation tax regime.

Could you comment on how it stacks up to other tax regimes that exist elsewhere, and whether or not it's among the highest, or where it's situated?

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

It is definitely the highest in the developed world. We find ourselves in the situation where the last time I looked, while Canadian airport infrastructure and air networks are ranked among the best and safest in the world and the most developed, our tax regime is seen as 139th out of 142 developed countries. So it's considered to be quite regressive.

It stems a little bit from a model that was adopted as far back as 1992, where the Government of Canada took the position that the air traffic sector is pay-as-you-go. In other words it's a user-pay system, and the users will pay. The government, in fact, derives positive cash flow from the system in the form of several charges, with the biggest that affects the airports being airport rents, which amount to about $300 million annually.

Just to cite Montreal as an example, about 20% of our gross revenue goes in one form or another—it comes right off the top—to the Government of Canada in the form of rent, and to the City of Montreal in the form of very high property taxes for virtually no value in exchange.

So it's a direct tax to the users of the airport, and it's quite regressive.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

You also mentioned something interesting when you said that liberalization should not be pursued at any cost. It's something we've heard from other witnesses, like Ailish Campbell who came to testify before committee last week. You mentioned that we need to seek out partners that offer reciprocity. That's something that Ms. Campbell also mentioned in her testimony.

In which cases would ATAs not be in the interest of Canada? Could you go into more detail about that?

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

From what I've seen in other locations, I think a good example of free trade agreements that have worked particularly well is the arrangement we have with China. It provides equal access for Canadian transport companies—Air Canada and others—to access China, and for Chinese airlines to access Canada. That's a very good example of something that's very desirable.

I think my colleague, Mr. Staples, referred to the European arrangements. That's another good example, especially now with the expanding free trade arrangements with Europe. I think there's going to be great opportunities for all airports in our country. I think Halifax could be a big beneficiary, and Montreal, and others, because it makes other cities in our country more accessible.

Where I think it becomes more dangerous is where there is no real true reciprocal benefit to be derived. For example, if we get unlimited lending rights in a country that has no important origin destination traffic, it really doesn't have high value to us as a country.

Quite frankly, my concern is if we build too big a network overflying the European hubs, it will have a very significant detrimental effect on the lift we have to those European cities.

Montreal is very well-connected to Europe, but if all that traffic that is connecting into Europe and over Europe gets moved to a Middle East carrier, then that will significantly affect our access to the European market, undoing a lot of the effects that we're working on in the European free trade arrangement. That's where I get concerned.

I think we have to be very careful. I'm all for liberal markets, but there have to be reciprocal benefits to our country when we enter it.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

You also mentioned in your testimony your concern about airports that are supported by governments, and there's the example of the airport in Dubai.

How would you recommend the federal government act in this kind of a situation? How would we support our own airports faced with this kind of competition?

4:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

What I was suggesting was that these things have to be taken in a much broader context.

If we want to liberalize the air rights between ourselves and a country, it should be taken in a much broader context of an economic review in general, much as we've done with the European free trade arrangement. The free trade arrangement is very broad, one element of which deals with the air sector. That's a very sensible way to do it because it allows us to look at the give-and-take across a much broader area of sectors. Looking at air rights in exclusion, just by themselves, my general feeling is that it doesn't give you that opportunity. There are certain markets where there will never be reciprocity so we're going to have to find some compensation in some other manner.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Would you recommend that ATAs contain clauses that would limit too much government intervention or too much government funding?

4:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

Well, I think that's generally what we end up doing in most free trade arrangements. I know that those are central elements of the NAFTA arrangement. I know that there are central elements of that in the European free trade arrangements, so, yes, I think that would probably be a sensible approach.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Staples, thank you for your testimony as well.

We've heard from other witnesses such as Stephan Poirier of the International Airport of Calgary who told us that long lines for duties or security posed a significant barrier. Do you see that as being a problem as well? Do you see those long waiting times preventing airport administrations from taking advantage of ATAs?

4:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Air Service, Marketing and Development, Halifax International Airport Authority

Jerry Staples

At the risk of sounding like I'm doing a commercial, Halifax Stanfield has been a leader in customer service for a number of years, so security, specifically with CATSA lineups or a lineup at a parking garage trying to exit, is fundamental to our concerns. Whether they're in our care or control, we become involved. We don't have significant lineup problems because of our size at this point in time.

We have sympathy for our counterparts at larger airports in Canada that are experiencing those problems, but I think there's responsibility too for the airports to promote programs such as NEXUS, which will allow business travellers to expedite the process at CATSA lineups and to work closely with their CATSA partners to implement new technologies and programs to address those customer service issues.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Laurin Liu NDP Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Would Mr. Cherry have anything to add to that?

4:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

Well, I don't have the benefit of Mr. Staples' experience. We do have issues on both customs and the CATSA side.

I think there's a lot that could be done, and we've been having many conversations lately with the Ministry of Transport and with CATSA, and there are in fact some activities going on right now to try to come up with new baselines, new ways of dealing with it.

I think we've lagged behind in technology in some respects, particularly on the pre-board screening side. I think there are lots of gains to be achieved. I think your premise is absolutely right. It is an irritant today for the passenger, and immigration lines can be irritants for the passengers as well. Without ever giving up the secure side of the business, I think we have to find a way to expedite it and I believe technology is the answer. I'm confident that the people at Transport Canada and the people at CATSA are looking into that as we speak.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Chrystia Freeland

Okay.

I'm sorry, Mr. Cherry, and Ms. Liu, you were almost a minute over, so we'll have to leave it there, but thank you very much.

Now we're going to hear from Mr. Gill.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I also want to take the opportunity to thank our witnesses for appearing before the committee today and helping us with this important study.

I'm wondering if you can share with the committee how your respective airports have grown, say, over the past 10 years. Can you share that with us?

4:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

Sure. In the last 10 years we've gone from about 8 million passengers to about 14.8 million passengers, so that's pretty considerable growth. Most of that has been on the international side. Our domestic sector is probably pretty static. The U.S. as a proportion of our traffic has actually dropped a little bit.

Our traffic has increased substantially. We've increased the number of destinations served substantially as well. We've gone from about 75 total destinations to 130, and I think that's been a big reason for the growth. We've actually improved the menu and become much more aggressive in pursuing new destinations. We've increased the offer out of Montreal and increased the offer internationally into Montreal. I think those are the two biggest factors we've used to develop our traffic.

We've grown faster than most of the other airports in the country except Calgary. Calgary has outpaced our growth, but I think it's largely because of the inherent strength of their economy.

We spend a lot of time developing our markets. We have a group of people who meet with airlines around the world and try to develop new destinations. They meet with airports in other parts of the world that we know are desirable destinations for Montreal folks and that might be desirable for people from there to come to Montreal. We've been very proactive in that regard. We don't wait for airlines to develop for themselves; we're actually quite proactive.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

Mr. Staples.

4:55 p.m.

Vice-President, Air Service, Marketing and Development, Halifax International Airport Authority

Jerry Staples

Thank you.

Halifax averages 1.5% to 2% nominal growth. In 2006 U.S. pre-clearance opened at Halifax, the only airport in Atlantic Canada to have that. At that time, the business case projected 323,000 passengers within the first five years of operation and within the first 12 months we exceeded 343,000 passengers. It's been a great success story.

Like Montreal, we also have a dedicated team, which I lead at Halifax. It's looking at markets. We do analysis using modelling software and data that the airlines themselves use. Mr. Gibbons mentioned the flight that WestJet is adding to Glasgow starting this summer, so we're making progress. Air Canada does a daily Heathrow service out of Halifax. The future's good.

In my remarks, I pointed out that we have a catchment area of 1.2 million and we're doing 3.6 million passengers. There's no real sign of growth in that catchment area, so we're going to have to do things differently and get more non-stop flights hubbing through Halifax—not only to access Atlantic Canada, but moving throughout the domestic network into the U.S. and the Caribbean.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

What capacity would you say your airports are currently running at? Is there an area for growth?

4:55 p.m.

Vice-President, Air Service, Marketing and Development, Halifax International Airport Authority

Jerry Staples

Again, we're doing 3.6 million passengers, and for the physical building itself we're probably good to five million. But if we take advantage of some of the programs that have been mentioned, we will have to make some modifications to the building for traffic flow.

4:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Aéroports de Montréal

James Cherry

The ultimate limit of an airport is not the buildings, because you can add buildings, add capacity. Technology has allowed us to flow more and more people through small buildings. The ultimate limit to an airport is the airfield. Just to illustrate that, at the same time that Montreal's gone from eight million passengers to nearly 15 million, the number of aircraft movements hasn't changed. It's still around 220,000 aircraft movements, takeoffs and landings, a year. That's largely because aircraft are slightly bigger than they used to be, and also the airlines are getting much more efficient, their load factors are much higher. But as a consequence of that, we are rarely touching 50% of our capacity at peak. That tells me that at Montreal airport, with those three runways we have at Trudeau right now, we have lots of room to grow. That's the ultimate limit of an airfield. So we have lots of capacity. I know that the folks at Halifax do, Vancouver, Calgary has just added another major runway. I don't think we're missing capacity at our major airports.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

How do the fees at your respective airports compare to some of the fees at other airports in the country?