Evidence of meeting #50 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was need.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ernie Lynch  President, Lynch Fluid Controls
John Kalbfleisch  Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.
Rebecca Reuber  Professor of Strategic Management, University of Toronto, Rotman School of Management

March 25th, 2015 / 3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Good afternoon, colleagues. It's great to be here again today in sunny, beautiful Ottawa.

Today we have three witnesses, two this hour and one the next hour. We'll be doing some committee business in the last half hour.

In front of us today we have, from Lynch Fluid Controls, Ernie Lynch, president.

Joining us by video conference from beautiful Burnaby, British Columbia, is John Kalbfleisch, chief operating officer of Alpha Technologies Ltd.

I'll start off with you, Mr. Lynch. You have 10 minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Ernie Lynch President, Lynch Fluid Controls

Thank you, Mr. Chair and fellow members. I've been around the room and had a chance to meet some of you.

I'll start by giving you a brief history of Lynch Fluid Controls, a mix of what we do and some observations, too.

Lynch was started 27 years ago. We have approximately 100 employees and export to 57 countries. We're in the hydraulic and motion control industry and we have markets around the world. We serve plastics, medical, military, aerospace, mining, and entertainment industries. In 2014, NASA was our largest customer. We serviced vehicle-launch systems for Kennedy Space Center.

Lynch exhibits products around the world. We are in the U.S.A., France, the U.K., Germany, Latin America, and Chile.

In 2013 I began serving on the SME advisory board, and have done so with great pride.

We utilize the trade commissioner service as much as we can. We use EDC, BDC, CME, and we have now approached the CCC, which has taken great strides to help us out.

In 2014 we attempted to buy an American company and were not successful, but we did have a lot of assistance from BDC and EDC, and they were both very helpful in the process. EDC came to bat and provided financial assistance for us.

Our company has taken an active approach in utilizing the trade commissioner service, which has most recently helped us open up new markets.

The EDC recently has come to bat and helped out with backing the CME and helped to launch a new system called the Enterprise Canada Network, or ECN, not just for manufacturers but for all industries. This is a system where companies in other countries and governments in other countries can utilize access to Canadian companies and make contact with them and be able to do business with them.

Recently the government has been promoting trade with small and medium-sized enterprises and has created a Go Global program. I attended two of these sessions and spoke at one—with a little bit better dexterity than I am today. I feel that these programs need to be better attended by SMEs. The EDC people and others who have attended have asked for more time in advance of these meetings so that more eligible SMEs can attend.

My feeling is that more Canadian companies need to go and actually get on planes and get out of the country, go abroad and explore other markets. The government has done a tremendous amount to provide assistance to them, but they do need to be self-motivated. In a recent EDC commercial that was on TV, a fellow is walking through the house and there are different items that are made in different countries exhibited, but not very much is from Canada. Canada actually has a lot to offer, but we need to get out and show it.

Our company utilizes EDC receivables insurance. This has been a great help and given us lots of confidence in our ability to go abroad. We are now also making inroads with CCC, the Canadian Commercial Corporation, which we hadn't in the past. With the work that we've done with NASA in building launch systems for Kennedy Space Center, I think this is something that they are interested in and can help us out with.

It's recently come to my attention that the transportation infrastructure in Canada may not be adequate to handle increased exports. In other words, the kitchen is ready to cook the food, but we don't have the wait staff to take it out. Attention does need to be paid to that. This is coming from Transport Canada.

A recent article I read by David Suzuki draws attention to the Government of Canada being sued on several occasions by U.S. corporations for failing to comply with NAFTA regulations. Mexico is also a victim of this. The U.S.A. has not lost a case, but Canada has not made any cases against them, from what I know.

Last week the Prime Minister was at our location in Toronto, in Mississauga actually, and made a commitment of $50 million to assist SMEs, to new exporters, and also to SMEs that are exporting but want to expand their current footprint. Additional funding is also being provided to fortify and deepen the reach of the trade commissioner service. It's unfortunate that such a great announcement is sometimes overshadowed by world events, but we can't get away from those.

I'd like to thank the trade commissioners that we have been in touch with. They've been of tremendous help in opening up markets for us. We'll be exhibiting in Germany in a few weeks. We've had the assistance of Angela Spreng in Munich, Christine Colevray, Rainer Kunau in Michigan, Maria Stihovic in the Ontario region, and Benoit Leduc. I think we will be meeting Maximillian Bossdorf from Berlin, and over the past few years we've had Ethan Bensoe, Gerald Boamah, Maria Bofil, Lauren MacLennan, Neil Robinson, Robert Tate, Heidi Wang, David Weiner, and Henry Wells in Dallas.

These are just a few names. It gives you an example of what the reach is and how many trade commissioners are out there. There are a lot of them. It's up to the individual companies to make use of them. We don't have a worldwide sales staff, but we do export to 57 countries. Our goal is 75 countries by 2018. We're going to make the most use of the trade commissioner service to accomplish this.

That's all I have to say for the moment. After the next speaker I'm available for questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Thank you, Mr. Lynch.

We'll move on to Mr. John Kalbfleisch.

3:40 p.m.

John Kalbfleisch Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

Thank you, Mr. Chair and honourable committee members, for letting me speak here today. My name is John Kalbfleisch. I'm chief operating officer for Alpha Technologies Limited.

Alpha Technologies is a private company. We're 40 years old. We're based in Burnaby, B.C. We provide world-leading power solutions to some key industries—telecommunications, traffic, security, smart metering, and industrial. We sell our products in Canada, the U.S., and globally. We have about 500 employees, and our revenues in 2014 were in excess of $180 million. Last year about 25% of our sales were in Canada. The rest were in the U.S. and globally. About 70% of our sales were in the U.S. and about 5% globally.

We have experience selling goods in many different countries—in Mexico, Latin America, South America, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. We are putting a significant focus on increasing our sales efforts in the U.S., Mexico, Latin America, and South America over the next three to five years.

In terms of trade policies that can better assist small and medium-sized enterprises to export more goods and services, Alpha would recommend the following.

I think the federal government needs to ensure that taxes paid by manufacturers and exporters allow them to be competitive on the global stage. We personally compete with very large corporations that aren't based in North America in some instances. They have access to low labour cost regions in terms of where they produce their goods, so we need to have a global supply chain to compete with them. We have to leverage low labour cost regions for some of our key components. We also do some integration and manufacturing in Canada. In some cases we may require a manufacturer in the country in which we need to export into.

As well, Canada needs to ensure that the subsidies, R and D tax credits, and tax breaks allow Canadian manufacturers to have cost structures that are competitive.

I think more effort needs be made to coordinate marketing; support activities across the federal and provincial governments and their agencies, so that our limited tax dollars are focused on creating one strong Canada brand; and making support for exporters easy to access and understand. I think the EDC has a great website. I really think their commercial campaign is adding value. We've used the EDC in our export activities, and they've helped us make some connections in foreign countries. We've also used the trade commissioner's office as well. They've been very helpful in making Alpha make connections to key customers.

I would also point out a country you could look at. I've travelled to Turkey a number of times in the past 12 months. There is an excellent website, called invest.gov.tr, that outlines all the information a foreign company would want in order to invest in Turkey. They also have a very slick brochure, a red brochure with a power button picture on the front, which was in the Turkish Airlines seat when I flew to Turkey. It gave a pretty compelling overview of the benefits of investing in Turkey and what the market's like.

I think another key thing the government might want to look at is establishing a mentorship program in Canada, where companies that are interested in exporting can be paired up with an existing Canadian enterprise that is successful at exporting. The experienced company can help guide the new enterprise through some dos and don'ts of being successful and building sales abroad.

For manufacturers, you need global supply chains so that you can have a competitive cost structure, and you also need to think about your global go-to-market strategy. Do you want to have local sales reps? Do you want to hire your own sales reps who are in-country? Do you want to use distributors? Do you want to have your own sales entity? Do you want to have a JV? These are all important decisions to think about when trying to enter a new market.

I wanted to emphasize that it is a lot of hard work to enter a new market. You have to be very determined. You have to be willing to get on a plane a lot to go and meet your end customers. Building strong relationships is key in many geographies, so it's important that you have a local presence. Your customers typically want somebody local who speaks their language, and who they can talk to if there are any problems.

We'd like to commend the government on their negotiation of the Korean and European free trade agreements. We're very supportive of the federal government negotiating global free trade agreements that will give Canadian corporations access to foreign markets on a level playing field relative to our competitors or domestic companies that are in the foreign market.

I think another thing that we need to address more collectively is the Canadian psyche. We're very risk-averse when it comes to global expansion. Unfortunately, Canadians don't want to conquer the world. We often see the U.S. market that has 300 million people, and if we do well in the U.S. we often stop there. Once we move outside an English-speaking market and we get to other countries where English isn't the first language, or the culture and customs are different from what we're used to, it can be quite daunting.

Access to financing is critical for Canadian companies who want to export. I think the EDC offers a lot of great things. The ability to ensure receivables is key to reduce risk for Canadian corporations. The ability to get financing for working capital is also important.

In a lot of countries the payment terms may be longer than what companies are used to getting in Canada. In southern Europe, for example, you could get payment terms of 180 days. In Asia, in some instances, you may have customers that will pay you in a year. Obviously the ability to finance your working capital is key. You often may need capital if you want to do a joint venture internationally or set up a foreign sales entity.

The other key thing for us is elimination of red tape. In particular we need access to the best and brightest people globally in terms of recruiting employees who will work for Canadian entities. We find that it can be quite challenging if we want to recruit a foreign worker who may have skills and expertise that is not available in Canada and get them to join our team in Canada. Right now we find the process cumbersome, time-consuming, and expensive.

Collectively I think we need to look at our education system and offer more courses on international business. We need to encourage more business study abroad and work internships abroad so that Canadians have a better understanding of what it takes to do business internationally.

We need a strong transportation infrastructure across Canada to allow the free movement of goods into international markets. I know for us here on the west coast the Vancouver port strike and slowdown has affected our ability to import and export goods.

Finally, I think we need government policies that promote innovation and productivity improvement in business. In order to compete on a global scale, you need to be quite innovative. You also need to have very competitive cost structures. A lot of times I think manufacturers and exporters need training on how to drive and improve productivity, how to be more innovative.

This is the end of my brief. Thank you for your time.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Thank you very much.

We'll go on to our first round of questions.

Mr. Davies, you have seven minutes.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to both witnesses for appearing.

Mr. Lynch, I'll begin with you. You testified before the Senate committee on February 19, I understand. We've had a chance to review your testimony. You stated there that your company attempted to purchase an American company last year, and you were assisted by EDC and BDC.

Can you briefly tell the committee how those agencies helped your company and whether you have any suggestions through that experience that might help us figure out a better way to assist companies like yours?

3:50 p.m.

President, Lynch Fluid Controls

Ernie Lynch

The company was in New York state. Once we notified EDC and BDC, both of which we have relationships with to start with, they immediately jumped into the queue and were willing to help us out.

We met with them here, and down in New York as well, to get their insight as to what could be done and what should be done, and they did assist us. Because the deal did not conclude...and this is one of the things you run into when you're trying to procure a company. It can fall through, and it did fall through, at the eleventh hour. But that's the name of the game. We'll do it again.

They were able to provide advice. They were able to connect us with the correct people, help us through the due diligence phase, and advise us on the things that we should be looking out for and being aware of, because we had not made an acquisition like that before.

What could they do better? I don't know what they could do better, but I think if they are provided with the necessary training, just like in any other business—I may speak to that a little further in the hour about actual job training—that would be very beneficial, because one of the ways for Canadian companies to expand is through acquisition rather than just getting into a market and selling incrementally.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

In further testimony on February 19 before the Senate committee, you also mentioned that the transportation infrastructure in Canada “may not be adequate to handle future growth of exports”; those were your words. Could you elaborate for the committee your concerns with existing Canadian infrastructure and how this might specifically impact SMEs like yours seeking export opportunities? What were you thinking about there?

3:50 p.m.

President, Lynch Fluid Controls

Ernie Lynch

It wasn't so much my thinking as evidence that had come to me in recent discussions. I'm involved with the Peel Goods Movement Task Force in the Toronto region and also with a freight commission; there's a “freight day”, for instance, that happens annually at the University of Toronto. Studies were done in the mid-2000s that have brought into visibility the fact that there may be a strain on intermodal rail and highway infrastructure that, as we increase....

The analogy I used for this was that the kitchen is ready to cook, the kitchen is cooking the food, and customers are waiting at the tables, but as that cycle increases and there are more customers coming in—this is going through free trade agreements and everything else—are we going to be able to deliver the goods?

I think Transport Canada would be able to comment further on what they feel needs to be done in those particular areas.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Kalbfleisch, you also testified before the Senate committee in February and stated, about Canada's trade commissioners, “It would be great if there was more of a push mentality, if the trade commissioners could understand more about the businesses and their markets and how they could be successful.”

Can you elaborate on that and on what your thinking was, and give us the benefit of how you think our trade commissioner services can improve?

3:55 p.m.

Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

John Kalbfleisch

Well, I can give an example: when you show up to a meeting and they don't really know much about your company. They haven't researched or even looked you up on the website. I think if you're setting up a meeting, and you're travelling a long distance to meet with the trade commissioner, it would be good if they had a little bit of background on what you do. A bit of research would make the meeting a little more productive, so that when you go there, they might have some leads, or you can hit the ground running a little bit faster, or even have a pre-call before you get there so that they have a bit more understanding of what is going on.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Again in testimony before the Senate you mentioned that your company exports predominantly to the United States. I think you mentioned that upwards of 70% of your revenue is derived from the U.S. market.

Aside from the obvious ease of accessing the U.S. due to our geographic proximity and the integrated North American market, are there any specific barriers that your company has faced in penetrating markets beyond North America?

3:55 p.m.

Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

John Kalbfleisch

One of the challenges for us is that the design requirements are a lot more stringent in North America. Typically, when we design a product, it has more specifications and it's more ruggedized, I'll say, than it would be in some of the international markets. So when we develop the product it tends to have a higher cost structure than some of the other international markets, where the requirements aren't as stringent.

Also, because of those requirements, which we're very familiar with, there's probably more competition outside the U.S. and Canada where we do not have the economies of scale to be as cost-competitive. In that instance, the way we succeed is in creating a custom product that the customer really wants, versus our competition, so we need to have a really strong relationship with the customer. For us, we have to invest in having the right sales force and the right time in the market in order to be successful.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Other witnesses before this committee have already mentioned that access to financing is a particular challenge for SMEs and is tied to their ability to penetrate export markets. You also stated that access to financing is critical for Canadian corporations seeking to advance trade. You spoke about different payment terms in different countries and regions of the world. For SMEs, that must be an even greater burden and risk, I think, with cashflow.

Do you believe that Canadian SMEs have—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Your time is running out, Mr. Davies.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Do you have any comment or advice to give us about better financing options for SMEs?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

You have 10 seconds.

3:55 p.m.

Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

John Kalbfleisch

From my perspective, it is really, whether it's through EDC or it's making the Canadian banks have.... They are quite risk-averse in terms of doing financing for foreign sales. I think the more we can promote financing options or make financing options available, the more there will be success.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

I'm going to have to stop you there.

Mr. Gill.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank both of our witnesses for appearing before the committee.

My question is for both of you. Both of you mentioned in your remarks that you had some dealings with federal government agencies such as TCS, EDC, BDC, and others. I'm curious to hear your personal experience with these agencies concerning the kind of service they were able to provide you and whether you feel that they're helping other SMEs, in this area especially of export development.

Mr. Lynch, do you want to go first?

3:55 p.m.

President, Lynch Fluid Controls

Ernie Lynch

Sure. Further to John's comment, if we go into an interview or we begin a relationship with a new trade commissioner, we treat them as being a supplier to us or actually an employee of ours. If there has been an experience, and we haven't run into it yet, but obviously it can happen, in which a trade commissioner may not be fully versed on what the client does—in other words, what we do—for me that's not acceptable. They do need to be with it and to have researched the company.

SMEs need to be forward-thinking and proactive in selling the product or getting shelf time. It's understandable that the trade commissioner should be busy and have many clients to serve, so it's a matter of getting mindshare and getting them to do what we need them to do.

John, did you want to comment further on your experience? It didn't sound like it was a good one.

4 p.m.

Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

John Kalbfleisch

Yes.

I think it depends on the country, but I have found that the EDC has been very good in helping us coordinate meetings with trade commissioners when I have gone abroad, and it has provided a lot of support. I don't like to name names, but as I said, it's a question of being prepared and understanding what the client is looking for, so that when a company comes to meet with them, it's a more productive meeting. Then, it's ensuring that there is follow-up too. We've had in-country sales reps trying to follow up with the trade commissioner and not getting a high level of support.

So it's making sure that they're prepared for the session, and then there's follow-up.

4 p.m.

President, Lynch Fluid Controls

Ernie Lynch

A number of years ago, we had been dealing with one bank for many years. They routinely change their account representatives or relationship managers, and we had a new general manager come in. They brought him around to our company, and he sat in our boardroom and said, “So, what do you do here?” We're no longer dealing with that bank.

It's that kind of feeling: that a company has to have a comfortable relationship with their suppliers. If a trade commissioner were to take that approach, “Tell me what you do here”, it's not good enough. They need to be willing to research the company and to do what they can for us.

At the last meeting I attended at the Senate, I brought up the topic of KPIs, which are key performance indicators. I'm not sure that the trade commissioner service has incorporated a system in which they use KPIs. If not, I believe they should, so that there is performance matching with expectations.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Parm Gill Conservative Brampton—Springdale, ON

Thank you.

The other concern, which both of you seemed to mention during your remarks, was in the area of transportation. Can you elaborate a bit on that in terms of your personal experience or in terms of challenges that your businesses may have faced? And do you have any suggestions yourselves for how it could be improved?

4 p.m.

Chief Operating Officer, Alpha Technologies Ltd.

John Kalbfleisch

Do you want me to go first?