Evidence of meeting #104 for International Trade in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreement.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paola Saad  Vice-President, Brazil-Canada Chamber of Commerce
Joseph Galimberti  President, Canadian Steel Producers Association
Angelo DiCaro  National Representative, Unifor
Claire Citeau  Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance
David Anderson  Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

9:50 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

Thank you for inviting me to speak on behalf of CAFTA, the voice of Canadian agri-food exporters.

CAFTA represents the 90% of farmers who depend on trade, and producers, processors, and agri-food exporters who want to grow the economy through better and competitive access to international markets. This includes the beef, pork, meat, grains, cereals, pulses, soybeans, canola, sugar, malt, and processed food industries.

Together, our members account for 90% of Canada's agri-food exports, which in 2017 exceeded $57 billion and supported about a million jobs in rural and urban communities across the country. A significant portion of these jobs would not exist without competitive access to global markets.

Trade, as I've mentioned previously before this committee, is one of our main economic drivers, as 60% of the value of the sector is generated through exports. Over half of everything we produce is exported. That's half of our beef, 65% of our soybeans, 75% of our wheat, 70% of our pork, 90% of our canola, and 95% of our pulses. Also, 40% of our processed products get exported.

Over the last 10 years, our exports have grown by over 100%, boosting from cash receipts at the same time by 61%. This is why Canada's agri-food sector has been highlighted for its significant contribution to the economy and recognized by the advisory council on economic growth as a key sector for growth due to the sector's focus on exports. This is further represented by the ambitious goal to grow Canada's agricultural exports to $75 billion annually by 2025.

Canadian agricultural exporters generate a GDP of $95.5 billion for agriculture and food manufacturing. Food manufacturing alone is the largest manufacturing employer in Canada—60% of it is concentrated in Ontario and Quebec—with close to a quarter million jobs more than the automotive and aerospace sectors combined.

We have two priorities today. First, it's paramount that Canada ratify the CPTPP quickly, and we urge the government to implement it without delay.

CAFTA has been a strong supporter of the CPTPP and applauded the fantastic news that Canada concluded the deal and signed it last February in Chile. The CPTPP will not only provide the sector with unprecedented access to the high-value Japanese market and rapidly growing markets in Asia, such as Vietnam and Malaysia, but it will also provide a competitive advantage over the U.S. since it's not part of the agreement at this time.

The CPTPP will enter into force as soon as six countries ratify it, and it's very likely that seven members—Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, and Mexico—will have done this process by the end of 2018. Canada may lose a first-mover advantage if it's not in the first tranche of countries ratifying the deals, and with the uncertainties surrounding NAFTA, it's really essential for our globally competitive industry to have improved access to the markets in the Asia-Pacific region. Really, the best chance to implement the agreement quickly is to ratify it quickly.

Second, due to the importance of NAFTA to Canadian agri-food trade, CAFTA urges the government to continue working to reach a modernized agreement that will strengthen the access and competitiveness of the nation's farm and food products. In short, maintain what has been successful and modernize the deal where possible. Specifically, the agreement should not be allowed to include new tariffs, new non-tariff barriers, or any other provisions that could be used to limit trade.

In its submission, CAFTA identified several areas for improvement where NAFTA could enable further growth for specific products, such as canola, grains, meats, sugar, and sugar-containing products, among others, and in areas such as greater regulatory co-operation and dispute settlement mechanisms.

With regard to a potential Canada-Mercosur free trade agreement, we offer the following views. The agri-food industry is a major economic driver in Mercosur, and it is one of the largest agri-food exporting blocs in the world. Major agri-food competitors in the region include the U.S., Chile, China, the EU, and the Mercosur partners themselves, especially Brazil.

Canada exported $143 million in agri-food products in 2017, $117 million of which was sent to Brazil. This total has been higher in some years. For example, it was $245 million in 2013, but this is still well below a half of one per cent of our total annual agri-food exports.

Mercosur also exported $1.3 billion in agri-food to Canada in 2017, and the trade surplus has grown substantially over the past five years.

Canada actually competes on world markets with Mercosur members in many of our major exporting sectors. Those are grains, oilseeds, beef, and pork. Canada's share of agrifood exports to Mercosur countries is relatively small. Canada is actually the 17th largest supplier to Brazil, and at this point our members don't see much potential for increased sales to those countries.

We believe, therefore, that a free trade agreement with Mercosur—when viewed beside other FTAs that are in progress or being renegotiated, or new ones we see as offering important prospects for increased trade—does not provide a sufficient export growth potential to justify allocating the resources required to negotiate an agreement with that region.

There are considerable demands on Canadian negotiators. These demands include the impending renegotiation of the NAFTA; the practical completion of the CETA, the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement with the European Union; the ratification and implementation of the CPTPP; and the launch of free trade discussions with China.

CAFTA members recommend that—

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

I'm sorry, are you almost done?

We're way over time. If you want to wrap it up, I'd appreciate it.

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

CAFTA recommends that the resources of the government be put into the successful completion of these other negotiations, and that a Canada-Mercosur agreement be put to a later date.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you very much.

We're going to have a dialogue with the MPs now.

I'd like to welcome the member from Cypress Hills—Grasslands. It's good to see you at our committee.

Without further ado, you're the first one up, Mr. Anderson. You have five minutes and you have the floor.

10 a.m.

David Anderson Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

It's an incredible honour to be here under your chairmanship, Mr. Eyking.

I'm interested in agriculture. I have a background in that sector, but I'm interested in your comment that you don't see that this is a priority or should be a priority right now.

We've had a good relationship with the United States, with the EU, with eastern Europe, particularly on manufacturing, on moving our products into their.... You're saying that there isn't a potential market, or isn't a good enough potential market in these four countries. Brazil and Argentina, obviously, are a couple of our major competitors on products, but your opinion is that there isn't enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile pursuing this in terms of agriculture.

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

Right.

It is true that Brazil and Argentina are some of our competitors, but the U.S. is as well. Australia, Mexico, and the European Union are our competitors in various world markets also.

At this point, our members don't feel there is enough potential growth in the Mercosur region to consider a free trade agreement. This is particularly true in light of everything else that's going on: the NAFTA renegotiation, the need to ratify CPTPP and get a level playing field in Japan, making greater inroads in Asia. There have been talks about exploratory discussions of a potential FTA with China. That should be the priority.

There are also remaining issues with respect to the CETA agreement that was implemented last September. A number of our exporters still can't get real access to the market, in particular in the meat and grains sector. These issues, I think, should be solved before moving forward with a Mercosur agreement.

10 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

We don't have any disagreement at all about CETA, NAFTA, CPTPP, and the critical importance of those markets, but I'm interested.... There's a huge market in South America.

What is the difference with those four countries, and Brazil and Argentina in particular, that would keep us from developing opportunities? What are the barriers preventing us from saying there's a really fertile market for Canadian agriculture products, Canadian agriculture manufacturing, and processed food products?

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

At the moment, the majority of import and export within the region is done within the region, Brazil and Argentina in particular. The U.S. and Chile do some exporting there, but it's minimal relative to what they're doing in other markets.

10 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

Do you see that as a protective attitude on the part of Argentina and Brazil in particular, or is it just that we have not explored that market well enough to be able to really penetrate it?

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

I think it could be all of the above.

I'm happy to have some of our members follow up on the specific sectors that I mentioned: grains, oilseeds, beef, and pork, but at this point, they don't see the potential. That doesn't mean there won't be potential in the future, whether it's opportunities to send products that are of different quality or more volume, but at this point—

10 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

Do you represent agricultural manufacturers at all?

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

Yes. We represent commodities and processed foods.

10 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

You don't see an opportunity for them either. My province of Saskatchewan is known worldwide for having developed innovative products on the farm that have turned into small companies that actually export around the world. Eastern Europe is a good example where we've been able to really move into markets where other people haven't.

Do you not see opportunity then for the manufactured products either—for machinery?

10 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

I'll send your request to our member at FCPC, who handles a lot of the processed food products.

Again, at this point it doesn't seem that the local populations have expressed strong appetites for the products that our members are willing to export, and at a certain price. It seems that they're able to get more value and more volume elsewhere.

10:05 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

Do you have a perspective then on human, plant, and animal health issues?

Typically, we've seen that there's often a lot of non-science involved in these issues. I guess an example would be the transport regulations that were proposed for Canadian livestock, particularly beef. The suggestions were actually being based primarily on European Union labour standards, so that we're setting limits on movement of animals and those kinds of things based on somebody else's standards.

What would be the—

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Sorry, Mr. Anderson. I know you're not a stranger to committees, but you have five minutes and you only have five seconds left. I don't think you're going to get that question in. You'll maybe have to punt it to your colleague.

We're going to have to move on.

10:05 a.m.

Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC

David Anderson

That's fine.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

We're going to go over to the Liberals, and Madam Ludwig.

You have the floor.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Thank you.

It's nice to see you again.

I'm going to take a launch from Mr. Anderson's question, actually. I had the same line of questioning.

You had mentioned, Ms. Citeau, that it's $1.3 billion in exports to Canada. Is that just in agri-food?

10:05 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

That's correct.

April 19th, 2018 / 10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Okay.

Here's my question on this. Maybe we're not seeing a big, significant increase in exports to the Mercosur countries, but certainly with $1.3 billion in exports to Canada is there an opportunity, if we enter into negotiations or a trade agreement, to possibly raise the standards in terms of harmonization but also on the science-based policies?

I have people in New Brunswick who are very concerned about glyphosate spraying in the forest, but if there's $1.3 billion in exports to Canada, what kinds of controls do we have in terms of the agricultural practices on the ground, the spraying, the herbicides, and the pesticides?

10:05 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

Free trade agreements, in general, don't impact Canada's ability to regulate and impose its food safety standards, which are among the top in the world and recognized internationally. It's not because we import that we're going to lower our standards. There are recognitions or equivalencies at times being negotiated, but it's two different things.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB

In terms of the harmonization of standards, is that something we should be concerned about between Mercosur and Canada?

10:05 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance

Claire Citeau

It's not something that our members have flagged at this point.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Karen Ludwig Liberal New Brunswick Southwest, NB

In terms of the main exports from Mercosur countries to Canada on the agri-food side, what would they be?