Evidence of meeting #33 for International Trade in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pei.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ronald Maynard  Director and Corporate Secretary, Dairy Farmers of Prince Edward Island
Douglas Thompson  General Manager, Dairy Farmers of Prince Edward Island
Reg Phelan  Regional Coordinator for Region 1 and National Board Member, National Farmers Union
Mary Robinson  President, Prince Edward Island Federation of Agriculture
Robert Godfrey  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Federation of Agriculture
Jordan MacPhee  Board Member, Environmental Coalition of Prince Edward Island
Ian MacPherson  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association
Greg Donald  General Manager, Prince Edward Island Potato Board
Craig Avery  President, Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association
Rosalind Waters  Member, Trade Justice PEI
Eric Richard  President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island
Lennie Kelly  Executive Director, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island
Ron Kelly  Member, Trade Justice PEI
Dennis King  Executive Director, Seafood Processors Association of Prince Edward Island
Brian Morrison  Chairman, Prince Edward Island Cattle Producers
Rinnie Bradley  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Cattle Producers
Mary Boyd  Chair, P.E.I. Health Coalition
Tony Reddin  Atlantic Chapter Executive Committee, Sierra Club Canada Foundation
Ana Whealtey  As an Individual
Edith Perry  As an Individual
Colin Jeffrey  As an Individual
Andrew Lush  As an Individual
Leo Broderick  As an Individual
Teresa Doyle  As an Individual
Devan England  As an Individual
Darcie Lanthier  As an Individual
Cameron Macduffee  As an Individual

September 27th, 2016 / 11:25 a.m.

Rosalind Waters Member, Trade Justice PEI

Thank you very much for inviting us to speak today.

Trade Justice PEI represents 20 island groups and hundreds of individuals on Prince Edward Island who oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The idea that eliminating all barriers to trade will bring prosperity to us all is falling on hard times. Evidence and opinion are mounting against it. Most recently, Tufts University reports on both the CETA and TPP confirm that benefits from these deals accrue to the corporate elite rather than to workers, and also that seeking to boost exports as a substitute for domestic demand is not a sustainable growth strategy for Canada.

Nowhere is this more obvious than in Prince Edward Island where the agenda is driving unsustainable agricultural models, and at the same time taking away our democratic rights to legislate in the public interest. We have fish kills in many of our rivers year after year, and estuaries that go anoxic on a regular basis because of heavy inputs of nitrogen-based fertilizers.

Our current strategy for agriculture is weighted towards producing massive amounts of potatoes. This requires monoculture of a crop that is heavily dependent on high inputs of chemical fertilizers and pesticides that have devastating effects on our environment. P.E.I. ecosystems simply cannot support any more of this type of agriculture.

Our concerns with the TPP include its adverse impact on supply management and rural communities, the locking in of privatization, and also the single-minded focus on expanding industrial agriculture.

Today we want to talk about three issues: health care, ISDS, and labour rights. Loss of democracy is a thread through all of these three topics.

The requirement that Canada extend patent protection for pharmaceuticals blocks any future attempt by a government to control drug prices. It is estimated that it will cost islanders between $2 million and $3 million annually in increased drug costs. On P.E.I., services such as dialysis and emergency services in rural areas have recently been threatened due to budget cuts. An increase in drug costs will put further pressure on P.E.I.'s health budget, putting services at even greater risk. The rights given to corporations through the market access rules and investor-state dispute provisions create barriers to strengthening medicare. Bringing services such as pharmacare, dental care, and home care into the national public program would be exposed to challenge.

Investor-state dispute provisions in the TPP give corporations extraordinary rights to sue taxpayers whenever public interest legislation gets in the way of their profits. The tribunals which hear these cases are outside of the Canadian legal system and can order governments to pay corporations millions of dollars. It amounts to a huge transfer of risk from corporations to the public purse. That's unfair and it's anti-democratic.

As Atlantic Canadians, we're close to three NAFTA cases which demonstrate well the effect of ISDS on public interest legislation: the Bilcon case in Nova Scotia; ExxonMobil versus Canada, involving a Newfoundland job creation policy; and threats to New Brunswick's efforts to introduce public auto insurance in 2004.

P.E.I. is a very fragile ecosystem. Our only source of water is our groundwater, and demands from the community for policies protecting our land, rivers, and shellfish industry include a moratorium on hydraulic fracking, no drilling of oil in island waters, controls on land use, and a moratorium on high-capacity wells. These policies could all be targets of ISDS.

Under the TPP, companies doing business in Canada will be freer to transfer skilled trades workers and technical employees to Canada, even when Canadian workers are available to perform the jobs. In a high unemployment region such as P.E.I., this provision is particularly offensive.

Pro-TPP studies project tiny economic gains, and the models used are highly unrealistic. Critical studies using more realistic models predict increased inequality and job losses. Already 93% of Prince Edward Island exports to TPP countries are tariff-free.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Excuse me. Could you wrap it up in the next half minute?

11:30 a.m.

Member, Trade Justice PEI

Rosalind Waters

Yes.

Any increase in exports will likely be offset by increased imports and intensified competition in the U.S. market. Let's remember that Vietnam is the third-largest exporter of seafood in the world and has very low labour costs.

For all these reasons, we believe that the TPP is not in the interests of islanders. The agreement drives loss of democratic control over policy, unsustainable development, and increasing inequality.

Thank you very much.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you. That wraps up your session.

We're going to move to the aerospace industry in P.E.I.

We look forward to hearing about your industry and your perspective. Go ahead, gentlemen.

11:30 a.m.

Eric Richard President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Good morning. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to offer our input into the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. Before doing that, I would like, first of all, to provide you with some historical context of the aerospace and defence industry on Prince Edward Island, which I hope will give you all a sense of the importance of the sector to the province's economy.

Our industry itself is only 25 years old, dating back to a 1989 federal government announcement of the closing of CFB Summerside, which had housed 413 Transport and Rescue Squadron. One of the solutions used as an economic adjustment strategy was the privatization of the base facilities and the employment of those assets to pursue aerospace and training development initiatives.

In 1991 the base assets were turned over to a new entity, Slemon Park Corporation, and shortly after two firms moved into what is known as Hangar 8: Atlantic Turbines International, a gas turbine engine maintenance, repair, and overhaul company initially employing 20 people, in year one, and Bendix-Avelex, a gas turbine engine and fuel control maintenance repair and overhaul company employing 16 people in year one. Today Atlantic Turbines is now Vector Aerospace and employs over 450 people, and Bendix-Avelex has evolved into Honeywell Aerospace, Summerside and employs close to 100 people.

A number of other companies have since established operations in either Slemon Park or other areas of Prince Edward Island, including Summerside and Charlottetown. As for the dynamics of the industry in this province, it is centred in the commercial maintenance, repair, and overhaul space as well as manufacturing, but also includes a number of marine-based companies that are active in pursuing opportunities in the national shipbuilding strategy.

Since those early days, growth has been very attractive. First year annual sales for the initial two companies of $45,000 have grown to 11 companies in 2015 generating close to $430 million, 75% of which is export-related, and employment is more than 950 people. From its origins to today, it is clear that the aerospace and defence sector in Prince Edward Island is very important to the economy of the province for not only the export sales, payroll, and taxes it generates, but for diversifying the economy as well.

Aerospace and defence is now the third-largest industry in the province and holds itself well against the country. In fact, a recent economic impact study concluded that, among the 10 provinces, the aerospace and defence sector in P.E.I. is second only to Quebec in per capita value of international exports.

With that historical context serving as a backdrop, the aerospace and defence sector of P.E.I. is reliant on export-driven revenues. By extension, we welcome efforts in achieving access to export markets. In general, we support the Trans-Pacific Trade agreement; however, we will also say that we are not aware of the overall effect the agreement would have on our sector here in Prince Edward Island. We understand that tariffs will be removed on aerospace parts, but we are not sure of the effect on maintenance, repair, and overhaul services.

As well, we are unclear as to how well defined the efforts in standardization have become to this point, particularly as they relate to adopting AS9100 and ISO 9000 under the Asia-Pacific aerospace quality group and ISO.

In closing, we generally support the TPP. We don't see it as a major game-changer to our industry; however, we look forward to monitoring the progress and defining standardization such as technical regulations and conformity assessment procedures that include testing, inspection, and verification.

Thank you very much.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you. What a story. We often hear of tourism, fisheries, and agriculture, of course, the big three, and look at how your industy grew. It's a bit of an example, too, where the government set the table—sometimes I guess they do things right—and private industry took it from there. It's a good story, and thanks for coming.

We have another witness who might be in later, Dennis King, but we are going to start the questioning, and if he comes in, we'll let him jump in and then continue on with the rounds. We're going to move on and start off the dialogue with the MPs.

Mr. Ritz is first. Go ahead, sir, for five minutes.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your presentations today.

As diverse as trade agreements are, there's a diversity of opinion from across the country as to whether we should even have them. We see that over and over, so it's our job to winnow through all of this and put together a report that is reflective of what we've heard, and the government of the day at the end can make the final decision.

It's a great story, the aerospace sector here. We've watched it grow exponentially for a number of years. It's a tremendous job you guys have done.

With the shipbuilding we're talking about, and in the jobs you're already doing, are you part of global supply chains? You're not just searching out your parts right here in P.E.I. Are you pulling in from other venues around the world?

11:35 a.m.

President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Eric Richard

Yes and no. It depends on which company you're dealing with. From a marine standpoint, it's the development of systems for the shipbuilding strategy, so it's from within. There is some manufacturing in the aerospace sector. They are developing parts completely for export because of the global market they serve. Then you have the repair and overhaul side, which is bringing in imports to manage the overhaul and repair of equipment, and then exporting that finished equipment out.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

On the specialty parts you export, do you ever send out technicians to explain, to help run through the drawings, and all of those types of things? Are you not concerned about experts of the same calibre coming into Canada through the TPP to help you with certain things, or to help other companies? Are you not concerned about that exchange of experts?

11:35 a.m.

Lennie Kelly Executive Director, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

I don't think so. Particularly on the marine side, we have companies that produce integration systems. When they export those systems, they provide the technical expertise to go with those systems, and they train the people in the various countries on how to use them, how to install them, and how to maintain them.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

That can be ongoing as updates come up for things like that. It's not a one-off. Over the months and years you continue to send experts, and import experts, and make that happen.

11:35 a.m.

Executive Director, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Lennie Kelly

A lot of after-market services go with it.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Exactly, and that's the nature of it today.

You mentioned the standardization and quality of parts. ISO 9000 was one, and what was the other? I didn't write them down fast enough.

11:35 a.m.

President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Eric Richard

ISO has varying degrees of standardization around the globe. You have 9000 as the standards around procedures. AS9100 has standards around manufacturing, and you have—

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

You have the right grade of bolt. It doesn't pop when you're in mid-air, and things like that. It's simplification of it, but—

11:40 a.m.

President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Eric Richard

Right. That is to the root of it. What you're talking about is making sure that procedures and standards that occur here are required globally, as well. It levels the playing field.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

What you're sending out meets those standards, but what you're concerned about is ordering from country X, and they may not have. Do you not have a way of checking that?

11:40 a.m.

President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Eric Richard

Right. You might be alluding to something that's been mentioned in the past about bogus parts, especially in the aviation and marine industries.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Yes. Especially in aviation. If it's cheap, there's a reason.

11:40 a.m.

President, Aerospace and Defence Association of Prince Edward Island

Eric Richard

Right, generally speaking. You have to take into account that manufacturing processes and technology make it easier, too.

If I look at what we've done today compared to 30 years ago in how we manufacture a part, it's night and day. You look at it, and you can't figure out how they did it 30 years ago.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Now with 3D printers and all those types of things, it's amazing. You get that concept right in front of you in minutes. It's something to behold.

Thank you.

Turning to the Trade Justice group, thank you for your presentation. You mentioned you represent 20 other groups here in P.E.I. Would it be possible to get a list?

11:40 a.m.

Member, Trade Justice PEI

Rosalind Waters

There is a list attached to the underside of our speaking notes.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

I haven't seen that. That's great. Thank you so much for your presentation.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Thank you, Mr. Ritz.

We're going to move to the Liberals now, and Madam Lapointe, for five minutes.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Good morning and welcome.

Ms. Waters, earlier, you said that Prince Edward Island's ecosystem was very fragile and that, if the focus is on monoculture, mainly potatoes, that could have a significant impact on the ecosystem.

Do you have any studies supporting what you said?