Evidence of meeting #95 for International Trade in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreements.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alex Neve  Secretary General, Amnesty International Canada
Martha Hall Findlay  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada West Foundation
Daniel Richard  Corporate Counsel and Director of Government Relations, Cavendish Farms
Colin Robertson  Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

9:40 a.m.

Corporate Counsel and Director of Government Relations, Cavendish Farms

Daniel Richard

Frankly, this is of concern right now to us. Legalizing marijuana is a social policy decision, and we don't have an opinion on that, but we are starting to worry about how it's going to impact our trade. For example, and I'm not talking just about Cavendish now, we have a trucking company, and are we going to start having issues at the border or even on shipments?

While I wouldn't deign to provide advice to the government on how to address these issues, I suggest that this should be thought out in advance while we have these social policies that affect us in our markets and also affect us in our trade. To the extent that I hear this concerned voice, we appreciate this, and this is something that we're starting to worry about.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Are you aware of the international agreements that Canada signed on to, and the timelines, things like that? One of the concerns that I'm hearing, and I've spoken frankly with some American stakeholders, isn't so much about what Canada does—as you said, that's a policy issue—but about people coming in and border agents who have been directed to make sure that drugs don't enter the country. If there's a normalization of marijuana use in Canada, even though Canadians want that, dogs and border agents can all still have an effect on that. Are you aware of what we need to do with these international trade agreements before we move forward?

9:40 a.m.

Corporate Counsel and Director of Government Relations, Cavendish Farms

Daniel Richard

It's something that we're thinking about in our businesses. Probably one way of addressing this, for example in transport—and a lot of this is going to happen at the borders with transport—is to align things. For example, DOT in the U.S. has very stringent requirements and whatnot, and possibly the solution—and this requires some consideration—is aligning our regulations on transportation in Canada to align with our.... This is what you gain by having these international trade agreements. You get a seat at the table, and you can talk about these things, and hopefully you come to a solution. Right now we see this as a potential problem.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

All right.

Ms. Hall Findlay, you're kind of smiling a bit on that one. Do you have a comment?

9:40 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada West Foundation

Martha Hall Findlay

It's only that the fact of legalizing marijuana will not start or end trade in marijuana, one. There is an awful lot of marijuana crossing the border between Canada and the United States already. The numbers are really quite astounding. The legalization of a product like that allows us to bring it above the table and have some really important discussions about how to manage that.

Listen, you have different jurisdictions with different rules on different substances, and this won't be the first time. How many states in the United States now have legalized marijuana? We've needed that discussion in the other direction. The legalization of a product like this only allows us to better manage it, as opposed to the complete black market that we're not managing terribly well right now.

I would just add that it's an opportunity for a lot of southwestern Ontario tobacco farmers, who've had significant challenges for many years, and it's a crop that Canada can do well with.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Do you see it as a potential non-tariff barrier, though, if you don't make those—

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Uh-oh, it's getting a little too close there to throw a question in. Those are very different questions, so there's a good mix here today.

We're going to the Liberal Party with Mr. Peterson for five minutes.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

Kyle Peterson Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I think Mr. Robertson is here now.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

I'm sorry. You're right, Mr. Peterson.

Mr. Robertson, welcome.

9:40 a.m.

Colin Robertson Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Thank you.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

It's good to see you back.

9:40 a.m.

Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Colin Robertson

My apologies for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

That's certainly okay. The timing is perfect.

Are you okay to jump right in and do your—

9:40 a.m.

Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Colin Robertson

Absolutely.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

If you can do it in under five minutes, that would great, and then we'll just go right into the dialogue with MPs.

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Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Welcome again, Mr. Robertson, from the Global Affairs Institute.

Go ahead, sir.

9:40 a.m.

Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Colin Robertson

I believe associate membership with the Pacific Alliance would make sense for Canada. For Canada, the Pacific Alliance is the right platform to advance our interests in Latin America. They are business-minded and embrace the rules-based democratic order.

Canadian investment in the Pacific Alliance is estimated to be in the ballpark of $40 billion. The economic health of a lot of Canadian firms, especially in resources and finance, is tied up in the economic well-being of the alliance.

The “Pacific pumas”, as they are sometimes called, have more than 221 million consumers, with a combined GDP that would make them the sixth biggest economy. The four countries are responsible for approximately 33% of Latin America's total gross domestic product, 50% of Latin American exports, and 40% of the total foreign direct investment capitalized in the region.

Their goal, as you have probably been discussing, is the free movement of people, goods, and services. They are negotiating their stock markets, and they even share embassies in some countries.

My belief is that the Pacific Alliance is a good match for Canada, especially as other key Pacific partners—Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and now South Korea—are also looking at associate membership.

Since the days of the coureurs des bois and the Hudson's Bay Company, Canada has been a trading nation. According to Global Affairs, our trade-to-GDP ratio is around 70%, one of the highest in the world. During the past century, we have become a nation of traders. One in five jobs depends on exports. The progress and prosperity enjoyed by Canada is thanks to trade liberalization. My view is that participation in the Pacific Alliance should be part of a broader strategy, which I think we're undertaking, that will increase opportunities for our goods, services, and particularly—interestingly enough, in the Pacific—for our pension funds.

Services today account for about 70% of the Canadian economy. We're good at trade and services, notably banking, insurance, and engineering. Think of Scotiabank, which is now one of Mexico's biggest banks and is of growing interest in Chile, Columbia, and Peru; or of Manulife in Asia; or of SNC-Lavalin or Brookfield in engineering and infrastructure projects around the world.

The trade explosion, of course, began with the Canada-U.S. FTA, and then the NAFTA. These deals opened up access to the U.S. and Mexican markets and gave us, I think, the confidence to compete internationally. We've had a slew of other agreements since then, including the Uruguay round, and we have more trade agreements in Latin American than in any other part of the world.

The recent negotiation of the Canada–Europe agreement, CETA, and now the FTA with the Pacific nations, the CPTPP, give us even more opportunities for sales and investment. However, you might ask, if we already have free trade agreements with Chile, Columbia, Mexico, and Peru, why do we need to take the next step of associate membership in the Pacific Alliance?

First, we must take our opportunities where they come. We must consider Pacific Alliance associate membership against a backdrop of “America first” protectionism with our biggest trading partner, and no foreseeable conclusion to the somewhat zombified WTO Doha round. With the Trump administration having removed the U.S. as the anchor of trade liberalization, middle power groupings such as the Pacific Alliance need to pick up the slack to sustain the rules-based order that serves our interests.

Second, for Canada, the Pacific Alliance would consolidate our position as a first mover within the best trade agreement in the Americas, just as we've done within the Pacific through CPTPP, and the transatlantic through CETA. It's always better to be a driver setting the course in the front seat rather than a late passenger along for the ride at the back of the bus.

Canada would become a leader within the Pacific Alliance by virtue of being the biggest economy in what would constitute the most liberalized caucus of trade nations in the world. While it's about trade, it's also about building deeper cooperation through regulatory integration and addressing emerging issues like the digital economy, the environment, and women's empowerment.

Canada can benefit, I think, from linking to the best parts of the Pacific Alliance. The “accumulation of origin” is also an argument for associate membership, weaving the four FTAs we have with those four countries into a somewhat seamless web, which will make it easier for us to do business.

The Pacific Alliance's innovative approach means working on one-stop shop initiatives for foreigners looking to do business in the Alliance and implementing flexible rules of origin so that we can integrate into value chains.

Third, deeper bridges with the alliance will bolster the deep linkages we have developed in the region. What better place to advance the progressive trade agenda than with these progressive democracies? We've already begun. Last year the Canada-Chile FTA was revised to include gender rights.

Fourth, associate membership will give us more place and standing in the Americas. The Pacific Alliance countries share values and an outlook on the world similar to Canada's. They are liberal democracies with open economies. Given the periodic illiberal governance in parts of the hemisphere—think of Venezuela—the stable and open economies of the Pacific Alliance stand in stark contrast.

Canada should support efforts in integration within the region and the best way to do it is within the alliance. Ties of history and migration have given us strong links across Asia, the Pacific, and the Atlantic, but our ties with south of the Rio Grande, in fact, are relatively recent.

Our relationship with Mexico, our third-largest trading partner, increasingly solidifies with significant Canadian investments in mining, banking, and manufacturing. Over two million Canadians travel there each year. But the investment in tourism flow is mostly one way. We need to do more to bring Mexico and our other Latin American partners to Canada to study, work, invest.

The government's consultations on membership in the Pacific Alliance need to look at potential problems. For example—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Sir, I have to ask you to wrap it up if you have a final comment.

9:50 a.m.

Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Colin Robertson

No, I'll stop there.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

Okay, sir. Thank you very much.

Before I go further I'd like to welcome the member from Etobicoke Centre. It's good to see you here again. The last time you were here was when we had the Prime Minister of Ukraine here, I think.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Thank you, Chair.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Mark Eyking

It's good to see you here.

We'll go to the Liberals now.

Mr. Peterson, you have the floor.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Kyle Peterson Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Robertson, for joining us. Thank you to all of the panellists.

I'll start with you, Mr. Robertson, since you're just settled in now and you sped through that presentation as quickly as you could in the time restraints.

If you want to finish your presentation, I'm happy to give a minute or two of my time now to let you finish what you were prepared to say.

9:50 a.m.

Vice-President and Fellow, Canadian Global Affairs Institute

Colin Robertson

I was going to say two things on mobility, which could be an issue because of the relations with the United States. I think there are ways around that. We have a trusted traveller program with the United States that also now includes Mexico through global entry, and we've had a seasonal worker program with Mexico for the last 40 years, which brings in about 22,000 seasonal workers each year. This is something to enlarge.

There's another area: securities. That, of course, involves the provinces since the Supreme Court has decided it clearly is a provincial responsibility. I think one of the things the committee has to keep in mind is the importance of the provincial governments in working with the national government in working this through. The provinces have played a critical role in the negotiation of the Canada–Europe trade agreement and in the comprehensive and progressive trans-Pacific partnership, and currently in the NAFTA negotiations. It is important that the levels of government be involved as we look to the Pacific Alliance, and I would throw municipalities in here because of course cities generate so much of our economy.

Thank you for letting me finish that.