Evidence of meeting #8 for International Trade in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ceta.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Doug Sawyer  Chair, Foreign Trade Committee, Canadian Cattlemen's Association
Matthew Poirier   Director, Trade Policy, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Paul Lansbergen  President, Fisheries Council of Canada
Daniel Gobeil  President, Les Producteurs de lait du Québec
Fawn Jackson  Director, International and Government Relations, Canadian Cattlemen's Association

2:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

That's fair enough. I didn't know if you had any insight on it or not.

I have two quick question for the cattlemen.

One is about the beef we're shipping to the U.K. right now. Does any of it have hormones or is it all hormone-free? On the other side, for the meat that's shipped from the U.K. to Canada, what cuts are they shipping and who is buying them? There's a tremendous percentage increase. Is it A&W that's buying this? I haven't seen any Scottish beef in my grocery store. I'm wondering about those two questions.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you, Mr. Lobb.

Can I get a short answer please?

2:55 p.m.

Chair, Foreign Trade Committee, Canadian Cattlemen's Association

Doug Sawyer

I can take a stab at a short answer. I will try.

First of all, all beef has hormones. All broccoli has hormones. But we don't put any added implants into the cattle going over there, so there is none landing on their shore with any added implants in them at all—any growth promotants, whether it be a hormone or not.

I think Fawn would be a better person to answer the second half of your question.

One of the concerns I want to point out on a political level, speaking to you from the political side, is that a lot of this beef appears to be landing in Ontario and Quebec. While producers all across Canada are concerned about the trade imbalance, Ontario and Quebec are most upset about it. I think a lot of the products landing there are secondary process products.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you, Mr. Sawyer.

We'll go to Mr. Arya, our last questioner, for four minutes.

November 27th, 2020 / 2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My question is for Mr. Poirier of Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters.

In my life, Madam Chair, I have owned and managed my own manufacturing company, and six years back, before entering politics, I was a part of a small, very high-end defence product manufacturing company, so I'm biased towards manufacturing. I agree with the witness that we have been seeing a declining trend in value-added exports, which I have noted with caution for so many years and have highlighted for many years.

One of the problems, Madam Chair, we face is that, especially during the last four years, the policy-makers have a limited bandwidth, and that bandwidth is used by a lot of large, foreign-owned, Canada-based manufacturers that export only to the North American market. For example, the steel producers, who have not increased their capacity during the last 10, 15, 20 years, hog the bandwidth because their market is only North America and they don't export anywhere else in the world. Because of that, many times the smaller manufacturers, the growing manufacturers and the new sunrise industries, don't get heard much. That was the part of the industry I was in. The legacy manufacturers like the auto sector, right now they're talking of investing in electric vehicles, which is a good thing, because it's the new frontier in manufacturing. However, we don't hear about manufacturing of new oil and gas, and there's the battery manufacturing we don't hear about.

Mr. Poirier, you did mention that small businesses don't have knowledge of various government programs, and to address that we have actually brought in the Canada Business app. I hope your association and others do promote the use of that business app amongst your members.

My understanding is that most of the manufacturing exports to the U.K. are basically destined to other parts of Europe. If my understanding is correct, and with Brexit at the end of this year, what will the effect be if the U.K. and European Union don't come to an agreement?

2:55 p.m.

Director, Trade Policy, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters

Matthew Poirier

You're right. Traditionally for our manufacturers, the U.K. has been the entry point into the broader European market, so it is concerning as a secondary thing. Obviously, we want to preserve the two-way trade going between Canada and the U.K., but like I mentioned earlier, it is an important link to the European market, so that's a concern as well.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Make it a very short comment, Mr. Arya, as you have one minute left.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

If no agreement between the European Union and the U.K. is reached, will it basically affect Canadian manufacturers' exports into the European Union?

3 p.m.

Director, Trade Policy, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters

Matthew Poirier

Probably. They're all linked, right? If we get a deal with the U.K., but the U.K. isn't dealing with Europe, then obviously that's a big problem, and if there are any discrepancies between all three of us, that's a problem as well. As much as we can harmonize and as much as we can all row in the same direction, that's the optimal outcome.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Thank you.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you to all of our witnesses. We very much appreciated your testimony today.

Thank you to the clerk, translators and everyone else.

I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend. We'll see you at committee on Monday when we'll have the minister with us.

The meeting is adjourned.