Evidence of meeting #4 for Justice and Human Rights in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was training.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Émilie Thivierge  Legislative Clerk
Isabelle D'Souza  Legislative Counsel, House of Commons
Adèle Kent  Chief Judicial Officer, National Judicial Institute
J. Michael MacDonald  Acting Executive Director and Senior General Counsel, Canadian Judicial Council
Nancy Othmer  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Justice
Stephen Zaluski  General Counsel and Director, Judicial Affairs, Courts and Tribunal Policy, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Lametti, I will not repeat what I have already said and what has been said. We subscribe to judicial independence.

The second jurisdictional concern of the previous witnesses is the need for some training for provincial judges, which you've addressed. You mentioned that.

As a former Quebec law professor and a lawyer who practised in Quebec, do you feel that the training that Quebec judges currently receive meets many of the criteria contained in Bill C-5?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

David Lametti Liberal LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

I think you understand that it would be very unwise of me to give an opinion on this. It is within the purview of my counterpart Mr. Lebel.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Clause 4 of Bill C-5 talks about the amendment to the Criminal Code that will require judges to give reasons for their judgments. I believe this obligation applies to both federally and provincially appointed judges.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Iqra Khalid

Mr. Fortin, I'm so sorry to cut you off. We're completely out of time.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Madam Chair, could I get maybe a yes or a no?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Iqra Khalid

Minister Lametti?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

David Lametti Liberal LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

Yes. Traditionally, it's not mandatory, but it's very desirable. It's what we want.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Iqra Khalid

Thank you, Mr. Fortin.

Mr. MacGregor, do you have any questions at all before we move into committee business?

You have, literally, not even one minute.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Minister Lametti, I'd like just a comment from you.

The TRC's call to action 27 called for the Federation of Law Societies of Canada to implement this training. Is that something that might be applicable in the future to judges as well?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

David Lametti Liberal LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

All suggestions are good suggestions, but we have to respect the principle of judicial independence. There has to be a way to have greater representation of indigenous peoples in our justice system, and on the bench in particular. We'll do our best to respect all these principles and try to find the appropriate balances.

1 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Thank you.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Iqra Khalid

Minister and officials, thank you very much for coming in today. We really appreciate your being here and taking questions from the committee on this very important legislation.

I am going to suspend the meeting while we clear the room of non-members and non-staff. We have some committee business to discuss.

[Proceedings continue in camera]