Evidence of meeting #106 for National Defence in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was research.

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MPs speaking

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Bipasha Baruah  Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual
Richard Martel  Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, CPC
Sylvie Boucher  Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d'Orléans—Charlevoix, CPC
Julie Dzerowicz  Davenport, Lib.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

I call the meeting to order.

I would like to welcome everybody to our first public meeting of the defence committee after the constituency break. We had one in camera meeting, but since we're in public I would like to formally welcome our new permanent members of the committee.

MP Dzerowicz, thank you and welcome. MP Martel, thank you. We have MP Boucher subbing in today for Mr. Bezan.

Welcome to our new parliamentary secretaries, Serge Cormier and Stéphane Lauzon.

We're here to continue our discussion on Canada's contribution to international peacekeeping. Our guest witness today is Dr. and Professor Baruah. Thank you for coming.

I will turn the floor over to you for your introductory remarks.

11 a.m.

Dr. Bipasha Baruah Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to appear before the Standing Committee on National Defence. I am a tenured full professor in the Department of Women's Studies and Feminist Research at the University of Western Ontario. I also hold the Canada research chair in global women's issues.

In November of last year I wrote an op-ed in Policy Options. My original title for the op-ed was “A few good women: A reality check for Canada's peacekeeping pipe dream”, but I noticed that the editors decided to publish it with the more straightforward title of “Short-sighted commitments on women in peacekeeping”. This is a topic I've maintained an interest in for a very long time. In the op-ed that I wrote, I shared my concerns about the way that women's role in peacekeeping is being packaged and curated. I'll do the same in my comments today.

One of the highlights of the UN peacekeeping defence ministerial conference hosted by Canada in 2017 was the announcement of a five-year pilot fund, worth $15 million, that would be used to recruit, train and promote female military and police personnel for United Nations peacekeeping missions. In making this commitment, Ottawa takes its cues from and throws its weight behind United Nations Security Council resolution 1325 on women, peace and security, which was passed in the year 2000. Resolution 1325 urged all member countries to increase the participation of women in peacekeeping operations, or PKOs. It also called on all parties in conflict to take special measures to protect women and girls from gender-based violence, particularly rape and other forms of sexual abuse, in situations of armed conflict.

The central premise of UNSCR 1325 is that increasing the number of women in a peacekeeping operation will improve the operational effectiveness of the mission. The resolution assumes that appointing or recruiting more women leaders, decision-makers, military or police officers, and soldiers is a means of better protecting the safety and rights of women and girls in the countries in which PKOs are deployed. It assumes that female victims of sexual violence will be more comfortable speaking to and being protected by female peacekeepers. Incorporating more women into peacekeeping missions was also a way for the UN to counter mounting evidence of sexual abuse and exploitation committed by male peacekeepers. Thus, by having a “civilizing” effect on their male colleagues, the presence of women peacekeepers was expected to lead to lower levels of sexual exploitation and abuse in peacekeeping missions.

The notion that women are not just inherently more peaceful than men but are also able to pacify male violence is empirically not well verified, but it continues to inform current policy on women and peacekeeping. Historian Gerard DeGroot, a vocal advocate for the inclusion of more women in peacekeeping operations, argues that women in armed groups appear to have a “civilizing effect” on men by preventing undesirable male behaviour, including sexual aggression and abuse. In a keynote address he made to UN officials in 2010, DeGroot said that women can improve the effectiveness of peacekeeping operations for the simple reason that they are not men and that women, it seems, are less inclined toward violence.

While not stated explicitly in DeGroot's remarks, the central assumption is that women can essentially shame men into behaving more appropriately. There's very little empirical evidence to support these assumptions, but they have acquired the status of truism without much verification. However, there is evidence that women's presence in small numbers or even significant numbers does not have any influence upon men's behaviour. For example, based on her research in Sierra Leone and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dara Cohen, a researcher at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, finds that when faced with similar social constraints and pressures, women are as capable of perpetrating abuse as their male peers.

Just to be clear, my argument is not that women or men are natural perpetrators of violence or abuse, but rather that under certain conditions, both sexes may be prone to such behaviours.

That many of the assumptions justifying women's increased participation in peacekeeping operations, that they are less corrupt, for example, and less prone to sexual violence or abuse, do not often hold water in practice is a fact that should not be so surprising, since the number of uniformed women personnel in peacekeeping operations is still extremely small.

In August 2018—these are the most recent figures—women made up just under 4%, or 3.95% to be precise, of military peacekeepers, and 11.2% of police personnel in global peacekeeping operations. This is far short of the target of 20% by 2014, which was set by the UN Police in 2000.

Research on employment and social equity in other male-dominated occupations indicates that a workplace must have at least 15% women to reduce what is called the minority effect, and ideally aim for 30% to obtain demonstration effects of critical mass.

Women are burdened in multiple ways in certain industries, including in peacekeeping operations, where they are heavily under-represented, but treated as change agents, i.e., where they are expected to lead the way in changing entrenched masculine work cultures. In such environments, women often face the predicament of being considered more nurturing and less bellicose than men, either by their nature or through socialization. These are qualities that ironically have traditionally been perceived as making women unsuitable for military and police forces, while they simultaneously find they are being included in these institutions for possessing the same qualities.

There are much-publicized accounts of women peacekeepers carrying out community service and outreach activities in host settings, especially with the recent deployment of all female peacekeeping units—for example, Indian women in Liberia, and Bangladeshi women in Haiti. There are greater opportunities for systematic research to understand what contributions female military and police personnel make, and whether they are any different from the contributions made by male peacekeepers. There has never been any doubt that both civilian and military peacekeepers can make very meaningful contributions to peacekeeping operations.

If compassion, empathy and sensitivity to local populations are important attributes of peacekeepers—I agree they are—then why can't we train all peacekeepers, regardless of gender, to be compassionate, empathetic and sensitive? Why are these seen as attributes that can only be brought in intact by women?

In pointing out the problems with essentialist assumptions about including women in peacekeeping, I must be very cautious not to provide ammunition to misogynists and anti-feminists, who would rather women not be present at all in military and police forces. Those of us who are skeptical of the operational effectiveness rationale for increasing the number of women in peacekeeping are not at all against women's participation in peacekeeping. We just express doubt about the way in which it is packaged. As a researcher, I obviously have the job of asking critical questions, even of policies that I support.

Women make up 50% of Canada's and the world's population. They should be as self-justifiably entitled to jobs in peacekeeping operations as men are, without bearing the additional burden of “civilizing” missions and improving operational effectiveness. Having more women peacekeepers contributes to the goal of a gender-equal, more representative peacekeeping mission. Gender equality and representativeness should be ends in themselves, and not means toward somewhat misguided ends.

I know that advocates of the operational effectiveness argument may find these critiques quite frustrating. They may even find them exasperating. They say we should get the job done and ask if it matters that we're doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

I would argue that an important step toward gender equality in peacekeeping is to appreciate that distinction between a rights-based argument, and an instrumental argument. After all, if we increase the number of women in peacekeeping operations and find that we still have high levels of sexual exploitation and abuse and that the women have not been able to transform these institutions, are we then justified in asking women to leave?

In closing, I would like to emphasize that gender is not the only relevant marker of identity among peacekeepers. Class, race, religion, education, language, ethnicity and nationality all figure very heavily in the identity of peacekeepers. In any conversation about diversifying peacekeeping missions, we must pay close attention to them.

Thank you for listening.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Thank you very much for your very important remarks.

I'm going to turn the floor over to MP Robillard. He will have seven minutes for the first question.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would especially like to thank Ms. Baruah for her testimony.

I will ask my questions in French, of course.

What factors explain the general exclusion—

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Sorry; hang on a second while we get translation for the professor.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I'll start again. What factors explain the general exclusion of women from peace processes keeping and decision-making designed to resolve and recover from conflicts?

11:10 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

If I'm assuming rightly, you're asking me what factors lead women to be excluded from peacekeeping processes.

I don't think I have a simple answer for that. Having been doing this research for a long time, I have found that one of the biggest problems is the general assumption that women are not involved in conflict. That doesn't actually serve us very well, because women are involved in conflict as well. Obviously they must also be part of peacekeeping solutions.

I think it's gendered assumptions about who fights and who doesn't that have for a long time kept women out of peacekeeping missions. We're increasingly finding that in studies of conflict from around the world, women are not just camp followers. They aren't just women who are wives and mothers, associates of fighters, for example. They have been involved pretty actively in conflict. Therefore, I think it's very important to also consider them in solutions to peacekeeping.

A more generalized response is that in the past, women were never at the table for a lot of conversations about peacemaking, although they've obviously played very important roles, even in ending civil war, in many countries. The prime example is Liberia, in which women were absolutely instrumental in ending armed conflict.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you.

What are the main advantages of increased participation by women in United Nations peacekeeping operations?

11:10 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

That's the one that I really struggle with, because, given the structures of peacekeeping operations and given the structures of militarized peacekeeping, I don't see how introducing small numbers of women can make a difference to peacekeeping operations.

Having said that, I think women have a right to a seat at the table regardless of whether they can contribute in different ways. Even if their contributions are very similar to those made by men, male peacekeepers, they have every right to be there.

I think we should work from that approach of thinking about a rights-based argument for why women should be there. I think equity is worth fighting for in and of itself. If they get there and we find that institutions also change.... There is so much research that suggests that institutions benefit from diversity, not just gender diversity but from diversity of all kinds.

When we think about those benefits, we should be thinking about them as perhaps nice to have, but we shouldn't design policy based on them. I think women should be there regardless of whether they make different contributions to peacekeeping missions.

September 20th, 2018 / 11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you.

How should allegations of sexual exploitation involving UN peacekeepers and other types of personnel be dealt with by the UN Security Council, the UN Secretary-General, the UN system as a whole and member states?

11:15 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

Can you repeat that for me, please?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

How should allegations of sexual exploitation involving UN peacekeepers and other types of personnel be dealt with by the UN Security Council, the UN Secretary-General, the UN system as a whole and member states?

11:15 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

I think a broader conversation about power is really important. Most sexual abuse is not about the things people think about. It's not about sexual gratification. It is about power. I think people are put in positions of power—inherently, of power over others—which is why I think it's very important to have a much deeper conversation about power. That conversation about power will open up a lot of doors that have remained closed so far.

People haven't really explored ideas about the power between peacekeeping forces and host populations, for example. I think a much deeper conversation is necessary to be able to understand why it happens and to figure out ways to prevent it from happening. Of course, policies of zero tolerance are all very useful, but the point I would like to make is that policy by itself often doesn't transform institutions. There has to be a changing of minds and hearts. As long as peacekeepers are in positions of power over their host populations and as long as there are perceptions of impunity, I don't see how it's going to stop happening.

There isn't much evidence to suggest that increasing the numbers of women in peacekeeping missions actually makes any difference. I haven't looked specifically at peacekeeping operations, but I've looked at other situations of conflict. It's very interesting, because when you look at other armed groups—for example, armed groups that include both women and men—there's really no correlation. There are groups that have large numbers of women, and we still see fairly high levels of sexual exploitation and abuse.

The other thing to keep in mind is there's a theory that often you may not get as much sexual exploitation or abuse if you have more women within certain groups, because then perhaps there is the potential for people to have sexual relations that don't involve coercion. I find that really troubling. That's a very strange situation to put women into, in those contexts.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

You were looking at me to see how much time you had left. That response ate up the little time you had left, so I'm going to have to move on to MP Gallant.

Just as a reminder to everyone, if someone sees this, you have 30 seconds to wind down gracefully and we have to move on.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Thank you, and thank you for your presentation.

I want to clarify that the context in which you're giving testimony here at the Canadian standing committee. You have made reference that peacekeeping is a mission and peacekeepers are soldiers. You mentioned policing, so I wanted to clarify: Are we talking about military policy or civilian police?

You are saying we are talking military.

We've been told in this committee during our study of peacekeeping that there are really no peacekeeping missions in the old sense of the word and that now they are really peacemaking missions.

For the purpose of this study, were you specifically referring to Canadian soldiers?

11:20 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

Frankly, there isn't enough evidence to tell us specifically about.... There is some research of our Canadian peacekeeping operations, but in general I would say there definitely isn't enough research to suggest that women in Canadian peacekeeping would make contributions that are different from male peacekeepers.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Are Canadian male soldiers somehow involved in the sexual exploitation of the people inside the host country?

11:20 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

I haven't chanced upon that research yet, but there is a generalized culture of sexual exploitation and abuse within peacekeeping operations.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

If we're inserting Canadian female soldiers into a peacekeeping mission for the purpose of having a calming effect, if our soldiers are on the straight and narrow anyhow, why are they being segregated out for reasons other than being soldiers?

11:20 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

I completely agree. I have absolutely no argument with the fact that women need to be in peacekeeping missions. The issue I have is with expecting different results from having women in peacekeeping operations. I absolutely agree there is no reason for it.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

You see the hypocrisy in claiming to advance gender equality but using that paternalistic attitude towards our assignments?

11:20 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Is it fair to our women in uniform—most of who joined the Canadian Forces for the exact same reasons as their male compatriots—to be put in administrative or PR roles?

11:20 a.m.

Professor, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bipasha Baruah

That's a difficult one for me to answer, because I haven't actually researched whether or not women liked being in those positions, or whether they prefer to be. Peacekeeping itself is often seen by trained military personnel as being kind of a step down from active combat in many cases. I think that's something for individual women to respond to, whether or not they think that's fair to be put into administrative or public relations positions.

Generally, I completely agree that women are wholly justified in wanting to be in peacekeeping missions, or wanting to be in the military or on the police force for the exact same reasons as men, whatever they may be. They want good jobs. They want to fulfill their personal ambitions. They want to travel. That's the issue that really troubles me. It's having these very different expectations of women.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Then keeping most female Canadian Armed Forces members in support roles rather than letting them serve on the front lines reinforces gender bias, regardless of how many more women are serving in a mission.