Evidence of meeting #131 for National Defence in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reserves.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Julie Dzerowicz  Davenport, Lib.
Paul Wynnyk  Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Department of National Defence
Jody Thomas  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Shelly Bruce  Chief, Communications Security Establishment, Department of National Defence
Patrick Finn  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
Claude Rochette  Assistant Deputy Minister (Finance) and Chief Financial Officer, Department of National Defence

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

We'll get around to that in the second hour.

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I just want to make sure I answer your question correctly.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

We'll get back into more detail on how it's spent, but I'm interested in how you secure that SNC-Lavalin information.

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Liberal

Sven Spengemann Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I think the member is constructing realities that are no more relevant to the testimony of the minister—

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

No. They're contracted; they're paid for under the supplementary estimates (B) on vote 5. They received contracts from the Department of National Defence. This is in order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

I will allow it.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

How do you secure those documents to make sure they don't fall into the wrong hands after failure?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

If I understand your question regarding this, when it comes to contracting we go through the appropriate process for any type of procurement.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I'm going to share my time with MP Gallant.

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Thank you.

Minister, the acting vice chief of the defence staff told Parliament on May 30, 2018, that no assessment was done in relation to the need for a second supply ship. The Prime Minister and you have said that one was done.

Will you table with the clerk of this committee by the end of day tomorrow the report prepared by the Canadian Armed Forces indicating that there is no operational requirement for a second supply ship as proposed by this committee, the Senate and various other experts? Just answer yes or no.

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

The work that has been done for this, the advice that we have received from the military—

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

I just need to know, yes or no, whether you can table that report tomorrow.

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

—is that there is no need for us to have an interim supply ship.

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Okay, so—

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

For us to fill the gap of the navy for the two supply ships that were taken off-line is going to require a permanent, built supply ship.

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

That's a no, then; he will not.

On January 24, the assistant deputy minister of materiel, Mr. Pat Finn, told the Canadian Press that the front half of the first joint support ship is nearing completion.

Will you table with the clerk by end of day tomorrow all evidence, including photos, to back up that statement?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

The steel cutting for the joint supply ship has started. In fact—

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Is there any evidence to back these statements up?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

In fact, I was actually at the plant when we pressed the button on the steel.

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Did you take any pictures? Is there anything to provide to this committee to back up your statements—any evidence whatsoever?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I believe we tweeted out about it when that announcement was made.

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Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Okay.

Will you table with the clerk by end of day tomorrow all cost estimates your department has received or has prepared in relation to the Canadian surface combatant's costs increasing to $77 billion as a result of the need for additional berths or beds, increasing the speed and, in relation to radars, specifically Lockheed's radar compared with the Australian radar on the T26?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

That's your time. I'm going to yield the floor to MP Garrison.

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NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

Just to make sure the record is clear, this committee has not supported a second interim supply ship in any documents I've ever seen, and certainly—

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

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