Evidence of meeting #131 for National Defence in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reserves.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Julie Dzerowicz  Davenport, Lib.
Paul Wynnyk  Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Department of National Defence
Jody Thomas  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Shelly Bruce  Chief, Communications Security Establishment, Department of National Defence
Patrick Finn  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
Claude Rochette  Assistant Deputy Minister (Finance) and Chief Financial Officer, Department of National Defence

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm also curious to know—and if you don't have them, perhaps somebody with you does—what the statistics are for people who transition from being in the reserves to being full military personnel?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Do you want to give them?

4:15 p.m.

LGen Paul Wynnyk

I can provide some statistics. It's called component transfer; you're probably aware of that.

We're relying more and more on that as we seek to expand the regular force and the reserve force. To put that in context—and it speaks to what the minister said on the growth of the reserves—last year the reserves grew by over 2,100. That's the first time we've seen reserve growth in about seven years.

On top of that there were over 1,000 people in the reserves—and this is army, navy and air force—who actually did a component transfer, which is more than we've had in the last seven or eight years as well.

We anticipate, with the full-time summer employment and more recruits coming in, that that will only increase. I would say that the first year was an unqualified success, and we look forward to future successes.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Sir, can I just add to that because you guys went to Mali? I visited the reserve unit in Quebec, though I forget the name of the unit, unfortunately. I met members there who were going to go on the new rotation as gunners on the Griffon helicopters. So there's also the incorporation of the reserves into these missions as well, and that plays a very important role for them to take part and look at component transfer.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

I only have about 30 seconds left, so perhaps this is more of a statement.

I also want to commend the particular action taken in decreasing the time it takes for a reservist to be approved to get into the reserves. That screening process was a real deterrent, as I heard a lot about before, but there've been significant improvements. Of course, they're always looking for it to be even faster, but there's been a significant improvement and we're seeing more people entering the reserves, including on the ground in my riding.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

That's good news.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

It's very good to see that.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

MP Alleslev.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

We're here to talk both about spending and as much about what you're not spending on, specifically the indemnification of Admiral Norman. Recognizing that he was acting in the interest of the Crown and within the scope of his duties as a naval officer, I have a yes or no question. Will you indemnify Mark Norman?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

When it comes to this case—

4:15 p.m.

Davenport, Lib.

Julie Dzerowicz

I have a point of order. What is its relevance?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

How are you tying this to the conversation?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

To the spending, to the vote.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Under which vote and which line?

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Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

The main vote.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Which one specifically?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Vote 1. Salary. It comes out of the operational budget.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

I'll allow it.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Yes or no?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

His salary is being paid.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

No, indemnification is not salary.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

When it comes to the case itself, it's before the court.

February 28th, 2019 / 4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Leona Alleslev Conservative Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

So that's a no? Thank you very much.

My next question: We understand from the media—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Excuse me, I have a point of order.

Mr. Chair, it's absolutely acceptable for the member to disagree, but to infer and to put words into the minister's mouth would be unacceptable. I think there's—

4:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

That's debate.