That's why I talk about transparency. For the last three years, I've been pushing and pushing and pushing CSE to release more information and to give more explanations to the Canadian public about their activities. If you don't do that, it's pretty hard to maintain public trust.
There is all kinds of information that could be released. It could be statistics. It could be all kinds of things. I'll give you an example. The word “metadata” four years ago was secret. We could not talk about metadata. It was secret. Today it's not, so if it's not today, it wasn't then.
CSE is like CSIS—they are secret organizations. We have to change the culture. The watchdogs, including me, are there for that purpose. It's to push for more transparency. Also, I must admit that in the last three years CSE has made a lot of effort to become more transparent. They have released more information. They participate, for example, in some conferences across the country. Their website has been revamped. They give more information to the public. I think this is one of the ways to do it, because if you keep everything secret, people become skeptical.