Evidence of meeting #23 for National Defence in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigation.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Denise Preston  Executive Director, Sexual Misconduct Response Centre, Department of National Defence
Wayne D. Eyre  Acting Chief of the Defence Staff, Department of National Defence
Geneviève Bernatchez  Judge Advocate General, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence
Jody Thomas  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Gregory Lick  Ombudsman, Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces
Michael Wernick  As an Individual

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I'm sorry...?

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Did General Vance have any role in your appointment to positions you held in the military in Afghanistan?

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

The positions that I held in Afghanistan...?

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Yes.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Yes, in my second deployment to Afghanistan, he was the commander of the task force at that time.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

You reported to General Vance at that time.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Yes, I did.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Thank you very much, Minister.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Madam Chair, if you don't mind, the member makes an assertion here—just because I served my country, and I serve—that seems to leave Canadians with the message that I had some type of personal relationship.

I have served four deployments. I've served a U.S. general. This is one of the reasons I take serious concern with the member's assertions here. As I stated before, I'm not going to let him define what my experience was in my deployment or what my experience was in the Canadian Armed Forces.

I know that the member does not like this, but I'm sorry. I am not going to allow him to do so. If he wants to ask me a direct question.... Do I have a personal relationship? I answered him no. If he wants to ask a question, sure, but please do not leave an assertion, because I find that extremely distasteful.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon

Thank you very much.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Well, Minister—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon

We will go on to Madame Gallant, please.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

When the phone call took place with the Clerk about Vance's performance as part of the performance review process, why didn't the minister raise the issue of the allegation at that time?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Madam Chair, that phone call took place earlier, in the late fall.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Minister, you had said that the Prime Minister is the minister responsible for the PCO. Since the PCO did the investigation, are you saying the Prime Minister is responsible, then?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Madam Chair, no politician should ever be responsible for an investigation of anyone.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

So—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Politicians should not get involved. I think it is very dangerous.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Is the Prime Minister responsible for the actions of the PCO, or inaction?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Madam Chair, I'm not sure how to answer that question.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Who informed you that the Prime Minister was aware that you had raised those concerns with the PCO?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Madam Chair, as I stated, my former chief of staff informed the Prime Minister's Office of what had transpired and the actions that we were taking.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

When the minister received information from former military ombudsman Gary Walbourne about an allegation of sexual misconduct by General Vance, did he review General Vance's PCO file history?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Can you repeat that question? I'm sorry; it was difficult to hear you.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

When you received the information from Ombudsman Walbourne about the allegation about General Vance, did you review General Vance's PCO file history?