Evidence of meeting #16 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was wood.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mark Corey  Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Tom Rosser  Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources
Cécile Cléroux  Assistant Deputy Minister, AECL Restructuring, Department of Natural Resources
Jonathan Will  Director General, Energy Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Jeff Labonté  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Good afternoon, everyone.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), we are here today to deal with supplementary estimates (B) for 2011-2012, specifically votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b, 25b, and 30b under Natural Resources. These were referred to the committee on November 3, 2011.

In the first hour, we have with us the Minister of Natural Resources, the Honourable Joe Oliver. Also from the Department of Natural Resources, we have Serge Dupont, the deputy minister.

We will start with you, Minister, giving your opening statement of somewhere around 10 minutes, and then we'll go directly to the questions.

In the second hour, we'll have Department of Natural Resources officials, whom I'll introduce at that time.

Go ahead please, sir.

3:30 p.m.

Eglinton—Lawrence Ontario

Conservative

Joe Oliver ConservativeMinister of Natural Resources

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Merci. Thank you all for this opportunity to meet today with the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

This is my first appearance before the committee, and I'm pleased to discuss my department's portfolio and supplementary estimates.

You've already introduced the deputy minister of Natural Resources, Mr. Serge Dupont.

Mr. Chair, members of the committee, our government's top priority continues to be supporting jobs and growth, and sustaining Canada's economy.

As we are all aware, Canada is not immune to the uncertainties of the global economy, but Canada is continuing to outperform our G-7 colleagues. We're the only country in the G-7 to have gained back all of the jobs and all of the economic output lost during the recession. In fact, we’ve gained it all back and then some—over 600,000 jobs.

A large part of Canada's success is the result of our strong natural resource sector. In 2010 the energy, mining, and forest sectors accounted for 11.3% of Canada's real GDP, or $140 billion. These sectors provide significant employment in communities right across the country. In 2009 the energy, minerals and metals, and forestry sectors were responsible for directly employing close to 760,000 Canadians.

Canada is a leading exporter of natural resource commodities and resource-based technology and knowledge. On the world stage, we are seen as a global mining giant and an energy superpower.

That's why the Government of Canada is making targeted investments to support innovation in the resource sectors, and the jobs and economic growth that these sectors provide.

Mining and mineral processing are directly responsible for the jobs of well over 308,000 Canadians. Thousands more work in related industries. In 2010 mineral production contributed more than $35 billion to our GDP. Canadian mineral exports accounted for $84 billion, and 21% of total exports came from minerals.

Many Canadians would be surprised at just how big a presence Canada's mining sector has in the world, with over 50% of equity raised in Canadian stock exchanges.

I was recently in China attending the China Mining Forum where numerous Canadian companies operate. I was impressed by their level of awareness of Canadian expertise in the mining sector. While there are issues surrounding sub-national governments, there is great potential for Canadian companies in China.

I'd like to acknowledge the work of this committee on this important file. I know that your current study of resource development in Canada's north will be beneficial, and I look forward to your final report.

NRCan is pleased to cooperate with the committee's study in any way we can.

With regard to the North, our government is making progress on many of the issues this committee has identified, such as the economic impact of mining in the north, shared responsibilities, aboriginal involvement, the environmental assessment process and regulatory system.

These numbers are all of vital importance to Canada's economy. Much of Canada's resource wealth—gold, silver, copper, zinc, diamonds, and oil and gas, and even rare earth elements—can be found in our vast northern lands.

I witnessed the potential of the north first-hand this summer when I joined the Prime Minister on his annual tour, and visited Meadowbank gold mine. The mine is providing great opportunity to the surrounding communities. Indeed, the mayor of Baker Lake told me that the unemployment rate in their community, which was over 40%, is now 2%—and he assured me that he wouldn't hire either of those two people either.

Just like mining, the forest sector represents the lifeblood of hundreds of Canadian communities. So our government is making unprecedented investments to help transform Canada's forest sector towards higher-value activities and global markets.

During my trip to China and Japan, I saw first-hand the dramatic progress we are making in growing and diversifying markets for Canadian forest products through initiatives such as Canada wood export program. Canada's lumber exports to China have doubled every year during the past five years. This year alone, exports in the first nine months of the year are up nearly 120% from levels just a year ago.

Thousands of Canadians are working in the forest sector today as a result of our efforts to expand demand for Canadian forest products in the fast-growing Asian markets.

Some of the initiatives covered in supplementary estimates (B) are supporting these important market expansion programs. In supplementary estimates (B), $59.4 million will assist the continued transformation of Canada's forest sector through innovation, product diversification, and expanded opportunities for exports.

Finally, Canada's energy sector is a cornerstone of our national economy, and in an energy-hungry world, this sector is poised for great growth.

It is a dynamic industry with the right resource base, workforce, innovative spirit, leadership, and it's in the right environment to thrive like it never has before.

Canada is the second-largest producer of uranium, the third-largest producer of natural gas and hydroelectric power, and the world's sixth-largest producer of oil. We have the third-largest proven oil reserves in the world—almost all in the oil sands. These enormous energy assets are generating economic wealth across the country. In fact, energy represents roughly 7% percent of our gross domestic product, and creates hundreds of thousands of direct and indirect jobs throughout Canada.

Last year, for example, the energy sector provided direct employment for more than 270,000 people. It is estimated that last year Canada's oil and gas industry paid more than $4 billion in taxes and $12 billion in royalties. These funds are being used across Canada to support our social systems, including our health and education systems.

And thanks to Canada's highly skilled work force and strong innovation, we are capable of increasing our energy production in an environmentally and economically sustainable manner.

This includes a growing portfolio of renewable energy, including hydro power, bioenergy, and wind. Many of our investments in innovation are in clean energy, and they're being funded by allocations through supplementary estimates (B). Additional NRCan funding included in the $469.7 million in supplementary estimates (B) will support clean energy programs to strengthen Canada's economy and improve its environmental performance.

Another incredibly important energy sector is Canada's strong nuclear industry. As the members of this committee are aware, we have now completed the sale of the CANDU reactor division to an entrepreneurial Canadian company, SNC-Lavalin. This is a critical step in strengthening Canada's nuclear industry while reducing taxpayers' exposure to nuclear commercial risks.

Supplementary estimates (B) is requesting significant funding for Atomic Energy of Canada Limited. This funding will enable AECL to meet operational requirements, including isotope production, ensure safe and reliable operations at the labs at Chalk River, and meet contractual obligations and cover costs associated with the divestiture of the CANDU reactor division. I can assure this committee that this funding is necessary to ensuring that we meet our obligations.

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, Natural Resources Canada has an immense and diversified portfolio—all directly linked to Canada's economic health and prosperity.

Nevertheless, I don't want to leave you with the impression there are no challenges ahead. Clearly, we must continue to expand our markets beyond our current base of strength in North America. In order to realize the full potential of our abundant resource endowment, we need a timely, effective regulatory regime to develop the projects and infrastructure to diversify our markets into the Asia-Pacific region. This is urgent.

No matter how large our assets or our advancements in technology, they are of little benefit if our regulatory environment acts as a deterrent to their development. We're working on that.

We must also continue to increase the environmental performance of our energy sector, which our government has supported with over $10 billion in investments. As I've recently promoted in my travels abroad, Canada is a reliable, environmentally friendly source of energy and natural resources. Everywhere I go my message is the same: Canada is a market-based, responsible, and reliable supplier and we are open for business and investment.

Thank you again for this opportunity to speak to this committee. I would be pleased to answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much, Minister, for your opening comments. Welcome to our committee for your first appearance. I look forward to many more in the future.

We'll start the questioning with Mr. Harris. You have up to seven minutes. Go ahead, please.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dick Harris Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Minister, for your opening comments. We do appreciate your coming before us today to give us an update on a number of things.

I was particularly appreciative of how you touched on the critical role the forest industry plays in spurring jobs in our country and being of huge benefit to the economy. Three years ago, this committee did a major study on the state of the forest industry. In a couple of weeks we're going to be doing an update on that. We have the Forest Products Association of Canada coming to give us its advice and opinion on the forest industry, as it is now and where it's going.

Could you give the committee any feedback you might have been hearing from the forest industry stakeholders since your appointment as minister?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Thank you very much for the question.

I've been hearing and receiving strong feedback from our forestry sector. There have been many positive developments in forestry since the very difficult recession that hit the industry quite hard.

The positive feedback includes an increase of 600% in exports to China and over 13,000 more employees. Of course, there is still work to be done, and the industry is still in a period of transition. I have had a number of round tables with forestry companies to listen to their concerns, from coast to coast, and the message I've been receiving is that our programs are having a positive effect and that we need to stay the course.

The Forest Products Association Canada recently said the following: The forest sector has been aggressively re-inventing itself with government as a critical partner. We are now at the point where industry efforts to transform are making an impact. However we still need an ongoing partnership so that industry can build on the existing momentum, and help protect jobs and rural communities.

Our government has been and will continue to be an ongoing partner with the forestry industry. I should just say that in a suite of market programs including Canada Wood, North American Wood First, and the Value to Wood, we are supporting the expansion of market opportunities for Canadian wood producers. As I mentioned in my remarks, I was recently in China and Japan, where I witnessed these programs in action.

I was at the Tianjin economic development area, or what they call TEDA, for a celebration of the first four-storey wood-frame building. There was much fanfare, dragons, banners, and so on, and they were very pleased. Of course, it really showcased our wood and our cross-laminated technologies, as here we had the first four-storey wood building in China. This really creates great hope for the industry.

In Japan, I visited Sendai, which was one of the areas hit by the tsunami—and I have to say in that regard that the courage, dignity, and resourcefulness of the Japanese people is truly awesome. I was there when the first foreign ship had just arrived, carrying Canadian lumber. The Government of Canada had invested some $2 million—the Government of British Columbia as well, and the forest industry. And so Canadian wood is going into the construction of community housing, because there are literally thousands, many thousands, of Japanese who are in temporary housing, and they can now see the beauty and durability of Canadian wood.

I heard a dismissive remark from another party that we don't want to promote wood because wood rots. Let me tell you that in Beijing, it was 1,400 years ago that the forbidden city was built, and it remains a source of tremendous pride to the Chinese to this day. So, talk about durability.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dick Harris Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Right.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

We've gone a long way in diversifying our wood exports, and we've seen a 26-fold increase in exports to China over the last decade. Maybe I'm taking too long to answer your question, but I can go on. It's a subject that interests me and it's very encouraging.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dick Harris Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Well, actually I have a question along that line.

In June of 2008, in our report entitled “Canada's Forest Industry: Recognizing the Challenges and Opportunities”, one of the many recommendations talked about market diversification and how important that was to our industry. I know that in the supplementary estimates, I think there is about $59 million allocated to the forest sector to allow for the diversification of markets, which are so essential. In the time we have, maybe you could just talk a little bit about how successful that program has been, and share a couple of examples of how it has been positive for the industry, if you can.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You have one minute please, Minister.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Yes.

I just mentioned there is a 26-fold increase in exports to China. The challenges in China are a lack of wood construction culture and the need for building codes. Canada Wood engages on both fronts through demonstration projects and working with local governments on wood building codes. I visited a large townhouse development in Shanghai that was made possible through a new building code. I referred to the four-storey wooden structure, the first one built in China.

It's been a very good news story for our forest products industry, and a large part of the success actually comes from these very programs.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Harris.

We go now to the New Democratic Party and to Monsieur Gravelle—and Mr. Stewart if there's time left.

Go ahead please, Mr. Gravelle.

November 28th, 2011 / 3:50 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Minister, for being here today, and for keeping your answers short because our questions are going to be short. Thank you very much.

Mr. Minister, your colleague today confirmed that Canada will be withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol this year, backing out of an international framework to deal with disastrous global warming. This month the International Energy Association confirmed that tracking climate change is more critical than ever.

Do you agree with the Environment Minister, and how are you going to justify this to Canadians?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

First of all, I did not hear him say that we were getting out of Kyoto. What this government has said repeatedly is that the Kyoto requirements cannot be met. I think we all know the history behind this: the Liberal government signed Kyoto without an intention to comply. That's very clear; it's in a book written by the chief of staff to the Prime Minister at the time. In any event, absolutely nothing was done to comply with it, so when this government got in, it was already too late.

In any case, what we're talking about in Kyoto is a treaty that only covers 30% of the emitters. The other 70% are out, including the United States, China, India, and others.

What we are committed to doing is reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 17% from 2005 levels by 2020, as the Minister of the Environment has said, and we're adopting a sectoral approach to emissions reduction regulations, aligned with the United States.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you. I just want to move on to my second question.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Okay.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Mr. Minister, up to now, the only energy strategy that your government seems to have had is exporting the oil sands and jobs from here. It's clear that six years of inaction in the regulation of the oil sands has stood in the way of approval of the Keystone project. It's high time the government woke up and invested in clean energy. The United States, per capita, is investing at the rate of 18 to 1 in renewable energy.

This government has created the ecoENERGY program. Why not create jobs by diversifying our energy economy and really investing in renewable energy?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

First, clean energy is a very important goal for the government. Moreover, we have invested over $10 billion to improve the efficiency of conventional energy and do research into alternative sources of energy. Funding of the clean energy programs is used to improve energy efficiency and increase Canadian leadership in the development and promotion of clean energy technologies. The ecoENERGY program is a tangible element that will help Canadians and industries to take concrete measures to help the environment and reduce their energy bills.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Stewart, go ahead.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Thank you.

Minister, thanks again for coming today.

You say repeatedly that you support what we consider an outdated strategy to build three giant pipelines—TMX, Northern Gateway, and Keystone—to export millions of barrels of unrefined bitumen. But in July, you promised to develop a new national energy program.

We know you've been talking to the Chinese government, the U.S. government, and oil companies, but we're wondering when you're going to start talking to Canadians about this new program. Can you tell us exactly whom you're consulting about this program, and what date you'll be releasing program details?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I have, of course, been talking to Canadians from coast to coast to coast. Since I was appointed on May 18 to this position, I've been to St. John's and to Vancouver and Calgary and Montreal and Chatham and Toronto and Ottawa—

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Was it specifically about this new program?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

—and I've been talking about energy.

The start, really, of that conversation occurred in Kananaskis, Alberta, where I co-chaired a federal-provincial-territorial energy and mining session. We agreed to a cooperative and collaborative approach to energy, detailing certain specific issues that we want to proceed on. One that I personally put on the agenda and that was agreed by everyone was to improve the regulation to make it more efficient, effective, and less duplicative—

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Is this on a national basis? Is this towards building a new national energy program for Canada?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Nomenclature isn't the important issue here. Our government respects the constitutional jurisdiction of the provinces. So we—

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

So we're not going to have a new one, then?