Evidence of meeting #105 for Natural Resources in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pipeline.

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June 20th, 2018 / 12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Good morning, everybody. My apologies for running a bit late. We're a bit behind schedule.

Minister, first off, thank you for taking the time to be here with us today. We know how incredibly busy you are. We're grateful for your flexibility in changing your appearance to today to accommodate other things that may be happening today—things that are at the front of our minds, but that we don't want to mention and jinx ourselves by doing.

Before we get into that, I want to say a couple of things. This will be our last meeting of the session. This committee runs very well. We have a great group of people here. There's a certain harmony around this table, which is very positive. When we disagree, we do it respectfully and get over it quickly. That's something to be very proud of. But all of this—

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

[Inaudible—Editor] pre-emptively.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

This is a pre-emptive strike. I'm hoping not to have to remind you of that statement a little later on in the morning.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

This doesn't happen just on its own. It happens because of all the people sitting around us and behind us. I would like to say thank you to all of them.

Thank you to our clerk and our analysts.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

You make it happen. You make us look good. You make it run smoothly. We're very, very grateful for that.

To all the people around this table, and more importantly than the people around this table, the people sitting behind you at this table, who are the ones who make all of this happen too.

Thank you to all of you.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Last but not least, thank you to all the members around this table. We do have a very good group. We joke about it, but I feel strongly about that, and I really believe it. I am appreciative of that, because things go so well as a result.

I would like to give a special shout-out to our parliamentary secretary, Kim Rudd, who works incredibly well with not only on that side of the table but also on this side of the table—and this end of the table. We're very grateful for that too.

On that note, Minister, this will be a very happy meeting, we now know. I'd like to thank you, Ms. Tremblay, and Ms. Crosby for joining us today. Because of the time and because we do have to get to question period—and I will stop talking—we'll have time for only one round of questions.

I will turn the floor over to you, Minister. Thank you again.

12:20 p.m.

Winnipeg South Centre Manitoba

Liberal

Jim Carr LiberalMinister of Natural Resources

Thank you.

It is a happy day. Everyone is in such a good mood. We're just thinking about what we might be doing tomorrow and the day afterwards. We work hard, and it's time for us to go back home.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, everyone. It's great to be back.

If a week in politics really is a long time, the last 12 months are a lifetime.

You know that as well as anyone. Over the past year, you've produced four reports—on nuclear innovation, clean technology, electricity interties, and value-added forest products—and now you've turned your attention to energy data.

Your efforts are not only substantial, they go to the heart of resource development in this clean-growth century. They reflect our government's vision of Canada leading the global transition to a low-carbon economy.

Canada's natural resources are central to this. Our vast forests, extensive mineral deposits, and abundant oil and gas reserves are not only the backbone of our economy today, accounting for 20% of all economic activity, but also the building blocks for the new resource economy of tomorrow.

There can be no climate change solution without sustainable opportunities for our forests. There can be no clean technology without the minerals and metals that are its key components, and there can be no acceleration of our clean, renewable sources of energy without the wealth generated by Canada's traditional sources of energy.

Our government understands all of this. We recognize that our responsibility to Canadians is to develop these resources sustainably and competitively to create good jobs, a stronger economy, and shared prosperity for generations to come. That's what we are doing. That's what the past year has been about, and that's where my department's main estimates will help to take us.

We want to use this time of transition to Canada's advantage by building the projects and infrastructure we need to get our resources to global markets and using the revenues they generate to continue investing in tomorrow's clean economy. This includes the Trans Mountain expansion project.

I know we will talk at some length about the project today, but let me just say here that our government's decision last month to secure the existing pipeline and ensure its expansion is aimed at protecting Canada's national interest and preserving Canada's role as a global energy leader. This is why our government approved the TMX project in the first place, following unprecedented consultations with Canadians and as part of a sensible strategy that diversifies our markets, advances environmental protections, and creates real economic opportunities, including in indigenous communities.

These efforts have taken on added significance in an era when our closest economic partner is creating trade barriers with unwarranted tariffs on everything from softwood lumber to steel and aluminum. As the Prime Minister has said, “Canadians are polite...but we...will not be pushed around.”

I want to thank all members at this committee and in the House for putting Canada first in these challenging times. Our history is linked to natural resources, and so is our future. That's why our government is making generational investments in clean technology and innovation in the resource sectors as well as in foundational science and research.

We are promoting a progressive, inclusive, and sustainable agenda, one that empowers women, supports youth, and renews Canada's relationship with indigenous peoples.

The past 12 months are filled with examples of how we are doing this. We did this by tabling the first federal budget to be entirely guided by a gender results framework to ensure that every Canadian has a real and fair opportunity to succeed. We did this by launching consultations on an historic new legal framework to recognize and implement inherent indigenous rights. We did this by introducing legislation for a new way to review major new resource projects, one that strengthens investment certainty, restores public trust, advances indigenous reconciliation, and enhances environmental performance. We did this by implementing a softwood lumber action plan to support Canadian forest workers and their communities, while defending their interests through NAFTA and the World Trade Organization. We did this by signing a forest bioeconomy framework with the provinces and territories to make Canada a global leader in the use of sustainable biomass to transform our economy. We did this by launching work on a Canada minerals and metals plan to re-establish Canada as the world's undisputed leader in sustainable mining. We did this by creating the Canadian ombudsperson for responsible enterprise, because progressive trade only succeeds when it works for everyone. And we did this by beginning work on a Canadian road map for small and modular nuclear reactors.

The main estimates, which you have invited me here to discuss today, support all of these things, and more. They include an additional $113 million over last year so we can invest more money for green infrastructure; more money for Impact Canada and its five challenges to accelerate clean technology, including the Women in Cleantech Challenge that we launched in Toronto last month; and more money for the indigenous advisory and monitoring committees that we've co-created to oversee the TMX and Line 3 projects.

Budget 2018 builds on all of this, including $86 million for NRCan as part of our plan to create a new Canadian energy regulator to replace the National Energy Board; $74.75 million to prevent the spread of spruce budworm, protect our forests, and support our economy; another $12 million for NRCan to defend the Canadian forest industry in the face of U.S. duties; and the renewal of the 15% mineral exploration tax credit to help junior exploration companies raise capital to finance grassroots mineral exploration.

Each one of these investments will bring us closer to our low-carbon future. Each one reflects the growing consensus at home and abroad that the individual choices we make today will lead to transformative changes tomorrow. We heard that clearly through Generation Energy, Canada's largest national energy discussion, through the hundreds of thousands of Canadians who were part of that conversation, and the 650 more who travelled to my home city of Winnipeg for a two-day Generation Energy Forum last fall. Canadians told us they want a thriving low-carbon economy, they want us to be a leader in clean technology, and they want an affordable and reliable energy system, one that provides equal opportunities to Canadians without harming the environment. We've appointed a 14-member Generation Energy council to bring all of these ideas together. I'm looking forward to receiving its report later this month to complement the pan-Canadian framework on clean growth and climate Change and our ongoing investments in key areas, such as smart grid technologies, strategic inter-ties and charging stations for electric vehicles, as well as new money for green buildings and to help remote communities to move away from diesel.

Similar priorities are dominating international efforts. We heard it at CERAWeek in Houston, Texas, in February, when the CEO of Shell used the world's largest energy conference to announce his company's plan to cut its carbon footprint in half by 2050. We heard similar messages at the Clean Energy Ministerial meetings in Copenhagen, Denmark, last month and at the G20 meeting of energy ministers in Argentina just last week. Argentina proved that the global economy can come together to tackle the challenges of our time, including energy security, reliability, affordability, and the low-carbon transition.

The world of tomorrow requires new approaches and new ways of thinking, with a premium on invention and imagination.

Canadians have always risen to such challenges, through the resources of our land and the resourcefulness of our people. I'm hoping you will continue to support these efforts.

I welcome any questions you may have.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you very much, Minister.

Mr. Whelan, you're going to lead us off.

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Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank the minister for coming today and for his effort to speak French. I congratulate him on behalf of my colleague, Mr. Serré, for improving in that respect.

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Liberal

Jim Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

These are incremental expenditures, to add to the base that we have built since we took power in 2015. We understand that this transition is going to take some time, and we understand that the Government of Canada has to be a partner with the private sector, incentivizing the private sector, and offering our own contributions so that, increasingly, we will see electric charging stations and be able to take remote communities off diesel.

Even in Alberta, we see that the industry, impressively, has taken very seriously this transition, In fact, they have become leaders in more sustainable ways to extract resources. I think that on all fronts, the combination of government incentives, partnerships with industry, and the understanding that we're in this transition positions Canada well to lead the world in this transition.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

As we look to this track of increasing the funding in this domain, how do you see the next two or three years playing out, from the ministry's perspective, in terms of this level of support? Do you expect this level of support to continue? Is it going to grow within the envelope that we have for infrastructure. Is this the area we can expect to see as parliamentarians, over the middle term, anyway?

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Well, with your help, I'll certainly make all the good arguments to the Minister of Finance. The government is committed to playing a responsible and important role in this transition. We know that with every passing year, it becomes more important that we reduce greenhouse gas emissions and that we offer consumers the alternative of using cleaner forms of transportation, cleaner ways of heating their homes, and that they be able to take their communities off diesel. Most importantly, the private sector is leading on this, as it should.

We want to make sure there is a policy frame that encourages them to move in this direction, and I continue to be impressed by how thoroughly industry itself understands where we are and where we have to be. It's that kind of partnership that I will use in my arguments with colleagues to say that the direction we're moving in is the right one and ought to accelerate over time.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Of course, this week, NOIA, the Newfoundland Ocean Industries Association, is meeting in my riding of St. John's East, and Minister O'Regan's riding of St. John's South—Mount Pearl, to discuss a little bit the future of our oil and gas industry and the role it will play in transitioning us to a low-carbon future.

With that comes the issue of regulation. In addition to regulation of the offshore industry, there is a lot of discussion in my riding about how offshore wind is going to be regulated. You're talking about a new national energy regulator. Will it have a responsibility for offshore wind? I'm thinking particularly about the Gulf of St. Lawrence and different places in the Maritimes and Atlantic Canada on that front.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

We committed to joint arrangements in the offshore accords, and we will continue to honour that.

Also, we think there is very impressive potential off Newfoundland and Labrador, and Nova Scotia. We've developed a very good relationship. You know that these are co-administered by the Government of Canada and by the provinces. We think there is an awful lot of expertise there, and we want to see more development and more growth.

In recognition of the joint management offshore accords with Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador, the impact assessment agency will collaborate with the offshore boards in reviewing major offshore oil and gas projects. A formal role for the offshore boards for designated projects would ensure that the technical knowledge and expertise they have developed over these many years is brought to bear in these assessments.

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Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Back to the amounts that have been provided under the green infrastructure envelope, I am looking at electric vehicles. Something that is a real impediment to Canadians purchasing electric vehicles is the confidence they have while they're out on longer drives. Certainly in Newfoundland and Labrador, the average trip length for getting between communities is going to require charging stations.

Is there a sense of how many charging stations the $16.7 million will help fund and create this year, and what is the vision for how many electric charging stations there will be across the country in the medium term?

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Liberal

Jim Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

I'm glad you asked that question.

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Voices

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Liberal

Jim Carr Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Well, then you're all going to be happy with the answer.

Budget 2016 provided NRCan with $62.5 million over two years from green infrastructure phase one to support the construction of 102 electric vehicle fast chargers, seven natural gas refuelling stations, and three hydrogen refuelling stations, as well as demonstration projects of more than 200 next-generation electric vehicle charging stations. Budget 2017 built on this, investing an additional $120 million over four years to continue the demonstration projects of innovative electric vehicle charging infrastructure.

There's more.

You can see that we're on a trajectory of growth, and the goal, of course, while the technology begins to develop over a number of years is to allow those drivers to go farther and farther without having to recharge. Ultimately, we see there being very impressive growth that will change behaviour and habits. Also, $46.1 million will support demonstration projects that are expected to result in the installation of more than 200 next-generation EV charging stations, including more than 30 fast-charging stations by March 31, 2020.

12:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I'll have to stop you there, unfortunately.

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Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Ms. Stubbs, I believe you're next.