Evidence of meeting #121 for Natural Resources in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was programs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brad White  President, SES Consulting
Terry Young  Vice-President, Policy, Engagement and Innovation, Independent Electricity System Operator
Nik Schruder  Director, Energy Efficiency, Independent Electricity System Operator
Kent Hehr  Calgary Centre, Lib.
Bruce Rebel  Vice-President and General Manager, Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers Canada

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

That was just for my own curiosity. In terms of energy efficiency and using energy-efficient appliances to meet our targets, what's the turnover timeline for home appliances? It might be five or ten years for cars, but what is it for refrigerators? If we have really efficient refrigerators now, how long will it take us to see those effects as people buy new appliances?

12:25 p.m.

Vice-President and General Manager, Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers Canada

Bruce Rebel

One of the things we would love to see in a paradigm shift is in terms of your question of how long do appliances last. It varies, depending on the typical appliances. You gave the refrigerator as an example but you can expect your refrigerator to last somewhere between 10 and 15 years before it is likely to reach the end of its life.

In doing that changeover of waiting for 10 to 15 years, in some cases that's just the average range, but you can get a refrigerator that can last 20 years. The question then becomes why do you want to have a 20-year-old refrigerator? It's a gas guzzler. It's the same sort of issue you would have with a vehicle. A 20-year-old vehicle is not going to be as energy efficient as a new one. We still see that now; households wait until their appliances fail before they do a replacement. You will see replacements when people are moving into a new home, and then, yes, they will tend to gravitate toward new appliances, but if they stay in the same home for the long term, people wait until their appliance dies and then they replace it as opposed to thinking that now maybe is the time to replace a 12-year-old refrigerator with a more efficient refrigerator.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We're going to have to stop there sadly. Sorry.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

I was just building up to my pivotal question, but that's okay.

12:30 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Gentlemen, thank you all very much for taking the time to be here. The evidence is very valuable, particularly for the study. As you can see, we never have enough time. People wanted to ask more questions, but so be it. That's the way the system works. You can all go now. We're going to suspend for a couple of minutes, and then we're going to go in camera. I'll remind you that everybody is allowed to keep one staff person with them while we're in camera, and everybody else is invited to return next Tuesday.

[Proceedings continue in camera]