Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, witnesses.
I have a question for Mr. White, but I'm just a bit surprised, Mr. Young, by your comment that it's reached maturity on the business and residential. That's not what we're hearing from Loblaw, which came to testify, or from Mr. White.
I want to understand a bit more, but before I get to that question, I want to understand from both of you how we can expand the issue with the energy manager program. What we're hearing about audits is that companies don't have the dollars to do the audits. Either companies don't have the necessary capital itself or the education and awareness are not out there.
I want to know what the recommendations would be in order to expand that energy manager program so that companies could more often have someone to work with on the audit side, on access to capital and on the education side.
Mr. White.