Evidence of meeting #72 for Natural Resources in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was products.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Glenn Mason  Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources
Anne-Hélène Mathey  Acting Director, Economic Analysis Division, Trade, Economics and Industry Branch, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources
Robert Jones  Acting Director General, Trade, Economics and Industry Branch, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources
Rick Ekstein  Founder, Chief Executive Officer of Weston Forest, Association of Lumber Remanufacturers of Ontario
Jerome Pelletier  Vice-President, Sawmills, J.D. Irving, Limited
Mark Mosher  Vice-President, Pulp and Paper Division, J.D. Irving, Limited

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome. Thank you for joining us.

This is day one of a new study on secondary supply chain products in the forestry sector in Canada. In our first hour, we are joined by three guests from the Department of Natural Resources.

Thank you for coming. I don't have to explain the procedure to you, I'm assuming, because you have probably done this many times before. Is that right? Okay. So we'll leap right into it. I'll give you the floor, because we're running a little behind schedule already.

The floor is yours for up to 10 minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Glenn Mason Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for the opportunity to testify before the panel.

My main message for you today is that the forest sector is increasingly a source of solutions for the challenges society faces.

My main message for you today is that the forest sector is increasingly a source of solutions for the challenges society faces. Today Canada has a clear opportunity to leverage its global forest sector leadership into bioproducts, biochemicals, and bioenergy that will lower our greenhouse gas emissions and drive economic growth across Canada and in rural areas in particular.

Canada's biomass availability is virtually unmatched elsewhere in the world. Canada has 9% of the world's forest, which is 17 times more forest per capita than for the average person in the world. Canada also uniquely possesses a well-integrated forest supply chain and state-of-the-art science and technology leadership.

I have just come back from Sweden, where I was asked by both Finnish and Swedish people alike why they can't be more like Canada. They were referring to our innovation ecosystem and to FPinnovations in particular, a unique public-private R and D organization. This integrated network is the national bioeconomy.

My goal this afternoon is to convey to you the magnitude of the bioeconomy opportunity, but first I would like to set the stage for the current state of affairs. The economic crisis, the U.S. housing crash, and the severe decline in paper demand severely affected the forest industry in the early 2000s. However, this crisis also spurred investments in innovation, a change in business models, and investment in market diversification, not just in terms of geographical destinations but also in terms of end uses for Canadian forest fibre.

Today the forest industry is much more efficient. It employs more than 213,000 Canadians and contributes more than $23 billion a year to our GDP. It provides more jobs per dollar of value added and contributes more to the balance of trade than any other resource sector. The forest industry exports more than $34 billion of forest products to 180 countries around the world.

Today forest products are strengthening composite car parts, making vehicles lighter, reducing emissions, and replacing plastics from non-renewable fossil fuels. A forestry worker is as likely to be wearing a white lab coat as a red plaid shirt. She might be a genomics researcher investigating ways to make trees more resistant to disease, or an economist working to optimize distribution. This is the bioeconomy: in broader terms, the secondary value chain products of the traditional forest sector.

Bioproducts, biochemical, and bioenergy can reduce demand for fossil-based and non-renewable materials such as cement and steel, substituting with renewable content. Anything you can make from a barrel of oil you can make from a tree. These products can deliver significant social and environmental benefits in particular when biomass is sourced from residual and waste streams. In this way, the bioeconomy can support high-carbon sectors in finding solutions to reduce their carbon footprint.

However, the bioeconomy is not just about greenhouse gas reductions. The bioeconomy provides other environmental benefits. It also creates employment and economic development opportunities for rural areas and indigenous communities, 70% of which are in or adjacent to forests. As such, the bioeconomy is a key element of a transition to a low-carbon economy.

The importance of the ongoing development of the bioeconomy to the forest sector cannot be overemphasized, given continued pressures facing the traditional industry ranging from softwood lumber and other trade disputes to market erosion of newsprint and other paper.

What is the scope of the secondary products sector? I would like to give you a precise idea of the contribution of the bioeconomy to Canada, but unfortunately I cannot. Only a portion of these products falls under the umbrella of the secondary forest sector manufacturing captured by Statistics Canada, which tallies their contribution to GDP at $6.3 billion. This is over a third of the total GDP contribution to the total forest sector. According to their available data, these products have grown by more than 7% over the last year alone, but this metric does not include cabinet-making, for instance, which has been a successful industry in Canada.

Similarly, the secondary paper products that Statistics Canada measures do not account for some of the more successful products issued from secondary or tertiary forest sector manufacturing. These often fall under other economic activities, such as organic chemistry or automotive.

For the bioeconomy more broadly, and its expanded forest sector value chain, this lack of data forces us to rely on proxy statistics. For instance, where measured, advanced bioeconomy revenue has been shown to grow on average over 10% each year over the past decade, which is much faster than the rest of the economy. The associated employment growth has also been shown to be more rapid compared against not only the overall private sector but also other knowledge-driven, technology-based sectors such as finance and insurance, aerospace, and computer hardware.

Critically, many of these products are already commercialized. This is not pie-in-the-sky. In the context of meeting the greenhouse gas mitigation targets of the Paris agreement, bio-based products and energy therefore present a realistic alternative to fossil-based products and chemicals today. In fact, the OECD estimates that by 2030 advanced bioproducts could contribute up to 35% of the output of chemicals and other industrial products, and up to 80% of pharmaceuticals and diagnostic production. For Canada, this would represent 50,000 jobs and generate $24 billion of revenue.

A specific example may be helpful. Forest biomass is one of the most promising options for reducing diesel dependency in remote communities. In the north, two-thirds of energy needs are for heating, which can be efficiently and environmentally provided by bioenergy. Research estimates that a remote community that relies on imported oil sees 90% of the energy revenue leave the community, but 75% of revenues from locally produced wood chips are reinvested in the community.

A final example is green construction. For instance, there is currently a global renaissance in building with wood. Origine, a tall wood building in the final stages of completion in Quebec City's Pointe-aux-Lièvres eco-district, is the tallest wood-constructed condominium in North America. Earlier this year the tallest modern wood building in the world officially opened—Brock Commons, a new student residence at the University of British Columbia. This magnificent building is not only an engineering and architectural showpiece, it is an environmental game-changer, storing close to 1,600 metric tons of carbon dioxide and saving more than 1,000 metric tons in greenhouse gas emissions. That's like taking 500 cars off the road for a year.

The pace of national and international developments of the bioeconomy has been accelerating. With the pan-Canadian framework for clean growth and climate change, the forest sector has been put in the spotlight as a source of solutions to transition to a low-carbon economy.

Budget 2017 marked the first time that programmatic funding was awarded to the Canadian Forest Service not specifically to support the forest industry but rather to leverage its benefits in other areas of the economy such as low-carbon construction, reducing diesel reliance in remote communities, and indigenous economic development. Governments understand that the economy of tomorrow will include the bioeconomy. In September the Canadian Council of Forest Ministers unanimously endorsed a forest bioeconomy framework for Canada aimed at making Canada a global leader in this space. That framework outlines a new vision for the future of the forest sector and the role for biomass in the transition to a low-carbon, sustainable economy.

Just a few weeks ago, the Department of Natural Resources hosted Generation Energy, the largest energy forum in our country's history. Biomass and bioenergy figured prominently in those discussions. The private sector is starting to get organized and rally around the bioeconomy.

Over 25 companies recently came together to submit a proposal to formally set up and fund a Canadian bioeconomy cluster, leveraging over $400 million in private investments around two national strategic areas of focus. The first is sustainable living, which is aimed at building value chains that generate advanced biomaterials and biochemicals. The second is clean transportation and infrastructure, which is aimed at lowering the carbon intensity of industrial processing and transportation by accelerating the scale-up and deployment of biofuels.

In conclusion, 2017 has been a challenging year for the forest sector, including multiple trade disputes and serious consequences from climate change, such as wildfires and pest outbreaks. Deploying forest sector solutions while navigating these challenges will determine the speed at which the bioeconomy takes hold, because it is not a question of if, but when, and whether Canada will be a leader or a follower.

Today governments, indigenous communities, forest companies, and environmentalists are all working together to promote the bioeconomy. Never before has the opportunity for Canada's forest sector been so strong, not just to survive but to lead, both nationally and internationally.

Thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you very much, Mr. Mason.

We'll open the floor to questions. First up is Mr. Harvey.

November 1st, 2017 / 3:40 p.m.

Liberal

TJ Harvey Liberal Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll start by touching on something that was on the front page of your comments, where you referenced Scandinavian countries and their desire to be more like Canada. I reference that because prior to being elected, I worked for a company that was putting a biomass project together, a co-generation project in the agrifood sector. We were using it to lower the cost of energy, which was the number one component to the product we were making. We actually looked at the Scandinavian models—for reclamation of excess biomass, binding tops—because they have some really progressive technologies that we're not utilizing here in North America. In fact, a large percentage of our biomass, especially tops and foliage, just gets left to waste in the forest after we're done. Of course, this varies, depending on which province you're in within the country, but I know from my experience that there is a substantial amount that's left, that's really a resource we should be capitalizing on.

Based on that, how do you feel that trade-off is between us and those Scandinavian countries? I for one would look to them for leadership on this file, especially around biomass and centralized heating programs. There are some really innovative things, which are actually not that innovative but are hundreds of years old, that they're still utilizing and we're not. Where do you think the opportunity lies there? Does Canada have an opportunity to capitalize on a substantial amount of biomass that we're not utilizing right now, and what are the best ways for us to get hold of that?

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

Starting with the middle of the three-part question, I would say, yes, Canada has a substantial amount of biomass that is not being used today. In my remarks I focused on waste and residues. That's where in particular we think there's an enormous amount of opportunity. We would still suggest that lumber is a higher use for a tree than biofuel, but the waste can be better used as biofuel than left rotting in the forest.

To your first point, absolutely, it's win-win with the Scandinavians in the sense that we're both highly advanced countries, and we have similar but different forests. They're similar in the sense that we both have Norway spruce and similar species of trees. We have quite different approaches to forestry in the sense that they have much more intensive forestry.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

TJ Harvey Liberal Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Their system is very much a supply and demand system.

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

The forest in Sweden is mostly privately owned. Particularly in specific areas of technology, they absolutely are more advanced. In the area of bioheat, Scandinavians are advanced well beyond us. Most of the technologies that would be applied in Canada would probably come from either Scandinavian or Austria. Those are two parts of the world that are extremely advanced and have been using community heat for quite a long time.

More broadly, on the issues facing forestry, we have a lot to share and learn from each other. I was meeting with SweTree, for instance, which specializes in tree breeding and tree advancements. Earlier in the year, I asked a federal-provincial team to go over to Sweden, and folks from J.D. Irving were on that and were engaged in conversations with SweTree. I think there are areas there around tree breeding where we can learn from them and perhaps they can learn from us.

I think one area where Sweden is particularly interested in what Canada is doing is in the space of “pilots”. Programs like IFIT, which are very much about first commercialization of risky technology in the sector, helping innovations move through that valley of death, are something that the Swedes don't have. They look to us for some of those innovations.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

TJ Harvey Liberal Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

From my own perspective coming from Atlantic Canada, I have in my riding a dissolvable pulp mill, Aditya Birla—they will also appear before us here at some point—and they specialize in dissolvable pulp for textiles and fabric. I think some really innovative things are going on that we're not doing a good job of telling a story on. We are embracing those technologies here in Canada. We are at the forefront, I would say, of repurposing our forests and trying to rebrand ourselves, and being far more innovative than people give us credit for. Maybe we're doing a good job of telling that story outside the country, but I don't know that we're doing a really good job of telling it inside the country.

How do you think the federal government can do a better job of telling that story? What role do you think the Canadian Forest Service could play in that?

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

Well, I would want to work with my minister's office on that in terms of communications. We have a minister who is a great communicator. He has been out there, speaking at forestry events and so on.

If I have a concern with what we do, I think we're very good at talking to ourselves, and it's a little bit like what you said; we talk within the forest sector and we all understand each other, but what we don't do as well, or don't as good a job at, is talk to Canadians and to non-forestry people. I don't think there is a single simple solution to that. I think the CFS's main role is particularly in supporting the science. Our role is that of provision of science around sustainable forest management and the future of our forests.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

TJ Harvey Liberal Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

I'm going to run out of time, and I want to get this other question in.

Briefly, can you touch on the importance of the role that biofuels could play in helping our indigenous communities transition away from older technologies, such as diesel generation, helping them to be more energy independent, and helping them to perhaps utilize that new-found energy to grow industries pertinent to their communities and their locations?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

I think it could play an enormous role. As I said, 70% of indigenous communities are in forested areas. To the extent that about 130 of the communities are off-grid and are using trucked-in diesel or diesel brought in by ship, and to the extent in particular that they're in forested areas, that can be replaced by biomass. The benefit that biomass brings is not just that it's an effective tool, but it brings jobs. If you buy that fuel from Montreal or Edmonton or wherever, that money leaves your community. In the case of biomass, you need jobs to harvest in a sustainable fashion, going forward, as well as the jobs for tending.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

TJ Harvey Liberal Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Before I run out of time, I'll say that I agree with you, too, on the high-end usage for the majority of the fibre itself and utilizing the biomass for just what it is, but recognizing that those two can fit collaboratively together, especially in that situation.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you.

Mr. Falk.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Mason, and your colleagues, for presenting here at the committee. I'm looking forward to some of the other information you'll share with us beyond the presentation.

Canada produces about 1.5% of the world's CO2 emissions. Your report says that we have “9% of the world's forest”. Do you know roughly what percentage of our CO2 emissions are absorbed by our forests?

3:50 p.m.

Anne-Hélène Mathey Acting Director, Economic Analysis Division, Trade, Economics and Industry Branch, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

We know it but it varies from year to year. We can come back to you with the actual number. I don't have the percentage in my head.

What is interesting is that our forests do both. They absorb a lot of carbon. Two years ago, which is how far we go back, it was about 26 megatonnes in terms of absorption. That's what I have in my head, but I would have to confirm that with you. The issue is where they also emit, when there is a fire.

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

More broadly, we would say that the forest sector in Canada absorbs about 27% of man-made emissions. Globally, the forest and agricultural sectors absorb about 37% of man-made emissions.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

So we're not doing so well here. Is that what you're saying?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

No, we're actually doing very well.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

We're doing very well in that respect? Okay.

Some communities talk about putting bans on heating your home with wood fuel. That's different from the kind of biomass you've presented in terms of using it for energy in heating?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

Yes. Modern furnaces, modern wood stoves, and modern boilers are extraordinarily efficient and very safe. In fact, we have a project up in Labrador that has improved the health of children in Labrador by replacing dirty wood-burning facilities with modern wood-burning stoves in houses.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

How's that going?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

It's going very well. If we could replicate just that, it would make a huge difference.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Okay.

Right now, in the absence of a NAFTA agreement or a softwood lumber agreement with the United States, who are our primary offshore customers for our wood products?

3:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

Obviously the United States, being our wealthy neighbour to the south, is our biggest market. Following that is China. The China story is well known, but it's been a huge success, starting from almost nothing in the early 2000s to about $1.5 billion today.

In addition to that, the Japan market is a steady market at just under $1 billion, and it has been a steady market for 40 years. The BC Council of Forest Industries celebrated 40 years in Japan about four years ago. They have been there for quite a while.

The other markets that we're developing in particular would be South Korea and some of the other Asian markets. We're working on India, which would be more of a medium-term market opportunity.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

What degree of processing do we complete here in Canada before we market it to these offshore markets? Are they taking the raw lumber, or do they take initial processed lumber?