Evidence of meeting #12 for Natural Resources in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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3:20 p.m.
Conservative
Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB
Well, the words will matter for what we're looking at doing here. From what I heard in the words initially, and from what Mr. Simard just indicated as the intent, I heard two things.
3:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
We need to make sure everybody is clear on what the amendment is before we move on. The question is how we rectify that.
3:20 p.m.
Conservative
February 19th, 2021 / 3:20 p.m.
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Mr. Chair, in looking at member Simard's amendment, it's significantly different from the substantive motion that was put forward by Mr. Patzer. I would ask for the clerk or for you to make a determination—since the rules are that a substantive motion requires 48 hours' notice—if this amendment is indeed such a substantive motion.
It is a substantive motion on its own, and I would argue that it is not a true amendment. Since there was no 48 hours' notice, I would ask for you to rule this so-called amendment out of order, as not really an amendment but as a substantive motion on its own.
3:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
If that's a fair comment, and I'm not suggesting it isn't, I think it's important that we know what the amendment is, and I'm not clear that everybody understands what the proposed amendment is at this stage. Mr. McLean has just indicated that he needs some certainty provided on that, so I'm going to—
Go ahead, Mr. McLean.
3:20 p.m.
Conservative
3:20 p.m.
Bloc
Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC
I would like clarification on what has just been said, Mr. Chair.
I am not introducing a motion.
3:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
I understand what you're trying to do, Mr. Simard. You're moving an amendment to the motion that's before us. Mr. Lloyd is telling us that his position is that the amendment in itself is so substantive that it is in effect its own motion and therefore can't stand as an amendment. He wants a ruling on that.
I've been trying to resolve the clarity issue with Mr. McLean, but let me confer with the clerk for a moment. I can address that issue. This may solve the problem in its entirety.
Bear with us. We will suspend for a moment while I confer with the clerk.
3:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
Let's reconvene.
Here's the dilemma that I face. Mr. Lloyd has asked me to rule on whether the amendment is appropriate and acceptable. I'm suffering from the same problem that Mr. McLean is, in that I'm not entirely clear what the amendment is, because I don't have it in front of me in writing.
Therefore, what I am going to propose will, I hope, resolve the problem to everybody's satisfaction. Given that it is Friday afternoon and that our next meeting is Monday morning, can we defer this discussion to the meeting on Monday morning? At that time, we will have the amendment in writing and we will all be able to understand it, and at that time I will be able to look at it and know what I'm ruling on.
We can rule on it and, if it's appropriate, vote on it, and then we can move on to vote on the main motion. We're losing no time, because we're going to be doing it Monday morning instead of this afternoon, and I'm assuming that none of you is interested in having a meeting this weekend.
If that's to everybody's satisfaction, we can get back to the meeting and get back to our witnesses.
3:25 p.m.
Conservative
3:25 p.m.
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
I believe that if we want to defer the debate on this, we need somebody to move a motion to adjourn debate on it. Then we would have to have a vote on that.
3:30 p.m.
NDP
3:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
Thank you, Mr. Cannings.
Madam Clerk, we have a motion to adjourn the debate on this discussion. I'm assuming there's no debate on it and that we can move to a vote on it.
3:30 p.m.
The Clerk
That's correct.
3:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
If you would take a vote on it, then, I would appreciate it.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 4)
3:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
Let's get back to our questions.
Mr. Patzer, you had the floor. I'll give you the floor if you want to continue with questions for our witnesses.
3:30 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
Okay. Am I at six minutes still? Where am I for time?
3:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
Technically, I probably shouldn't, but I'm in a good mood, so go ahead.
