Evidence of meeting #90 for Official Languages in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was organizations.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Margo Legault  Executive Director, Literacy Quebec
Linda Shohet  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Christine Holke

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

I also found it interesting that you were calling this literacy and numeracy, because usually in this country they talk about literacy and essential skills. It's very unusual to see literacy and numeracy.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Okay. I used the words that the committee put forward.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

They do it in other countries, but it's not common here. They do it in Europe.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

You can see that there are a lot of immigrants coming to Montreal, thank God, and a lot of them will speak English, naturally. Learning French is a big step for them. I'm just wondering how they are doing in terms of numeracy and literacy. Also, how does it help the minority English groups on the Island of Montreal? If you have any information about that, it would be great for us to know.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Again, I'm very happy to go back and look at it, but I don't feel that right now I have enough knowledge to speak to that.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Okay. Still speaking specifically on the numeracy phenomenon, you said that English groups are disappearing in Quebec. Is this also the case for numeracy English groups in other provinces? Are there numeracy English groups in other provinces?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

I'm not sure I understand....

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

In the other provinces, are there groups whose purpose is to improve the literacy and numeracy of anglophones?

Well, I guess not....

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Are you talking about the performance of anglophones in other parts of the country?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Yes. Do they have numeracy groups or associations, organizations, or governmental programs?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Yes, in every province.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Okay.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Do you mean like Margo's organization? Yes.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Okay. Those groups are government organizations—

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

No, they're—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

—in other provinces. Are they well funded? Are they working efficiently?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

They tend to be funded through government. Is that what you're asking? Yes.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Are some of them closing their doors or not?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Many of them did close their doors after the federal funding ended.

Literacy Alberta closed its doors. Ontario—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Do you mean the provincial government won't even fund it in their own language?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

Not sufficiently.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

I see. That's surprising.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

There was not enough to stay open in Ontario. Essential Skills Ontario, which would have been the Ontario coalition, closed its doors.

In Newfoundland and Labrador, it closed its doors. Many of them did.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alupa Clarke Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Why so?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Linda Shohet

They did not have money, because a lot of their infrastructure money was transferred federally. It was federal money that kept those pieces going. All these coalitions that were set up in the different provinces had mainly federal money. The provinces put in something, but it wasn't sufficient.

It was necessary, but not sufficient.