Evidence of meeting #15 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mike MacPherson  Procedural Clerk

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I'll hold the rest of my pitches for the amendment. We'll move sequentially and allow Mr. Harris to move on this one.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

This is Mr. Harris then.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I'm going to blame the chair for that one for calling my name.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

You can do that.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Is that how I incur your favour?

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Mr. Harris, please.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

I believe you've managed to succeed in confusing all of us.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

We move then to reference numbers. It's 5278733.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

The reference number is 5278733. That's back to Madame Boivin.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Madame Boivin.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

That's me. Exactement.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Yes. I have it in Mr. Harris's name.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

I know.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Is this one of those NDP plots?

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It is.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

It's actually just to make you look confused.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

We're going to get you on reference numbers.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Madame Boivin.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

I won't read the whole amendment to you. Its purpose is basically to enable the Commissioner of Firearms to ensure that what is kept are:…all records in the Canadian Firearms Registry related to the registration of firearms that are neither prohibited firearms nor restricted firearms and all copies of those records under the Commissioner's control.

Once again, you'll remember from the various testimonies we heard, whether from Minister Dutil from the Quebec ministry of public safety, who told us about Quebec's great interest in preserving the data, from the privacy commissioner or from the information commissioner, who said that we were heading into the unknown. They did not necessarily talk about illegality on the part of the government, but a fairly radical distance from the principles of public information and other principles.

We are trying to keep the information, and this bill seeks to completely destroy everything. This ties in somewhat with what my colleague, Mr. Bevington, said, which really moved me. I respect the fact that he has always been a proponent of abolishing the firearms registry. As for me, a person who has always been in favour of the registry, I learned to qualify my statements. I also think that most of the witnesses who supported the registry and preserving the information have also learned to qualify their statements, through all the debates that have taken place over the years. We realized that there were irritations for certain individuals, who are fine citizens and who in no way deserve to be made into criminals. We still want to maintain the balance between the right of hunters and sport shooters to use their weapons and public safety.

These amendments fall under that. I would simply like to publicly repeat just how grateful I am of the proactive and very positive work of my colleagues, Mr. Bevington and Mr. Cullen, on this, knowing their background and how they got involved in all of it. I think the amendments we are presenting will open the door to a little more consensus and clarification on the issue of the firearms registry.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All right, thank you very much, Madame Boivin.

Again, this amendment is deemed inadmissible. The amendment attempts to insert conditions upon the process by directing the commissioner of firearms to contact all provinces, territories, Indian bands. I think this is pretty well the same rendering as the last decision, so it is inadmissible.

But fear not, there will be some amendments that are admissible, and we'll move to them as quickly as possible.

Before we do that, shall clause 29 carry as is?

11:35 a.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

Can we have a registered vote, please?

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

They've requested a registered vote.

(Clause 29 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

(Clause 30 agreed to on division)

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

A new clause has been added, with NDP-6, if they would like to introduce this.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Can you give us the reference number to make sure we're on the same one?

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

It's reference number 5278303.